Perspective, Digital-Divide, Online Persona and Reverse Hijrah

In a recent conversation with a Muslim brother I told him “you know from what I see most of the second-generation Muslims I see online don’t see to like Islam that much and they positively hate the Sunnah. If you say something against Valentines Day or make any Islamic judgment they label you an extremist and they are only comfortable with a Muslim-identity as a social construct and not as a religious one.”

He pointed out to me the fact that these same Muslims, who will not judge any Muslim no matter how deviant (unless that Muslims is what they call a Wahabbi), are ready to excommunicate anyone who is not “green”, “organic”, or feminist, and he pointed out this is because they derive their beliefs from their educations from non-Muslims and their peers and not from Islam. Islam only re-enforces what they already believe and if Islam contradicts what they believe then they negate that aspect of the religion. We both noted that a tragedy of this era is that the Muslim organizations such as IANA and the Mahad have been closed by the government and a scholar who could have combated the issues of our times such as Sheikh Ali- al-Timimi is incarcerated. So those who are in opposition to this mindset such as myself are easily isolated and vilified; because I do not carry the weigh of a Sheikh Ali. Of course there are others, who do carry weight, and who agree with me on any points, who have run from the fight. Still more who disagree who are large in numbers, as a matter of fact much larger than these online forces of the Muslim Left, who are content just to be to themselves and say the internet is a fitnah.

The Digital Divide

I am a little older than many of my readers and due to this I came of age slightly before computers became the norm for schools and were common in the homes of people. So, I did not grow up knowing how to use a computer and didn’t type for the first time until I was in high-school and I have never learned how to type properly or use most computer functions (and do be quite honest I do not find computers all that interesting).

The first experience I had on the internet is when I was 22 years old and was a roommate of Ismail Royer. He was working at CAIR and had been educated at elite schools and knew a lot about computers and he taught me a few things; but I still did not have an email address and still could not really figure out what to do with a computer.

Around 1998 my curiosity in the internet was peaked because a lot of brothers were communicating with one another on AOL such as Idirs Palmer and Tariq Nelson and I wanted to get in on their conversations. I still did not have a computer but would go on computers at college campuses to see what the brothers were doing and then I discovered all of the Islamic knowledge online, info on Muslim events and communities, Muslim matrimonial sites, and what not.

It was not until maybe 2002 or 2003 when I was already in my late 20’s that I began to be on the computer on a daily basis and owned a computer and then it took me a while to figure out what to get out of it.

The core of who I am was already established without the influence of a computer. This means I am much more comfortable to talking to someone face to face than online. I do not have an online and an offline persona and my friends generally tend to be people I have known, in person, for years. Most of my Muslim friends do not have Facebook pages and do not read blogs. If they own a computer it is for business or for the kids and like me they grew up without computers.

These are brothers who go to the masjid everyday and pray and many are very active in the community and well-read (and a number quite wealthy); but I can’t get them to read my blog or even pick up their email (which they do a few times a year).

Contrast this to many Muslim bloggers and other only Muslims who have grown up with computers, studied them, love them, and maybe even work with them. A lot of their identity is online. Just as I grew up playing sports, fighting and riding my bike they grew up on the computer and playing video games. In many cases this will mean that I am more physical and aggressive and they are more computer literate and it can mean that while I would rather call you or see you in person they would rather text or email. It also means that many ideas I have that would seem normal, or I would even say unquestioned and orthodox, to many of my offline brothers, seem radical, stupid and bizarre to many online Muslims who have grown-up online.

False Perceptions From Online Identity

From the time I took shahadah I never knew any Muslim men who were openly soft and “in touch with their feminine side”. I never knew a Muslim, not a single one, who believed homosexuality was not haram. From time to time I would go to masjids and Muslim events and there would be women who did not cover and there was free-mixing; but this was rare and almost all of the masjids I went to the men and women were separated and the women were covered and as I told my sister-in-law I do not know the names of many of my good friends wives and I would not recognize them if I saw them in the street and I have dined in their homes many a time.

I lived all over the country and I never attended a masjid were the ideas many Muslim bloggers espouse were the norm. When I started blogging I started to encounter Muslims for the first time who praised the feminization of Muslim men, vilified jihad, praised feminism, looked the other way on homosexuality, tried to separate Islam and politics, and showed a general weakness on many Islamic issues. These are Muslims who scorn Muslims and praise un-Islamic ideas such as anarchism, vegetarianism, humanism and the like. These were ideas I had not run into in my visits to hundreds of masjids in dozens of cities.

After I started blogging I felt the need to talk about these issues and then after I saw these problems online I then began to see them in the community mostly among the young second-generation Muslims of Desi and Arab backgrounds, white Muslims, and what Tariq Nelson refers to as the “Mulatto Mafia”.

In my day to day life outside of the blog I seldom if ever discuss any of these issues with brothers I know or at the masjid. The reason for that is I do not have to. There is no discussion; because everyone agrees with me and this does not matter if I am in St. Louis, New York, or Virginia. At TalkIslam my ideas may be controversial, and may cause someone like Johnpi to have paranoid thoughts about me, but at most American masjids my ideas are nowhere near as controversial and can find far more in agreement with than the far-left ideas of the progressives, Quransits and others discussed there and that is why they are relegated to online activity for the most part ( this is not to say that maybe some of my political views are not outside the mainstream but on religious issues my views are far more closer to the norm than those you will see discussed at forums such as TI and on many blogs).

Online there becomes a culture clash between those who come from the grassroots such as myself and the bloggers and online Muslims who tend to represent the crowd I previously referred to. This also happens to be a crowd that tends to be upscale financially, suburban, and ready to accommodate the greater-society. Their cultural background often means they are interested in inter-faith whereas the brothers I know are interested in giving dawah (even if we don’t do it like we should). Our outlook towards the greater society tends to be oppositional (even if we are not physically opposing and are productive members of the society) as Yusuf Smith pointed out and theirs tend to be accommodating, non-threatening, and filtered through secular educations and ideologies.

Salafi-Sufi Divided is Overhyped

The Salafi-Sufi divide is relatively minor to this discussion. I do think there is a confluence between so-called Traditionals, some Sufis, Modernists, and Progressives and at some point they all come together; but that is not the main issue.

On the social issues I discuss, for the most part, Salafis from Masjid ar-Rahma in Newark, NJ, Sufis from the Jamaat of Muhammad al-Shareef in California, Taabliquis at Masjid an-Nur in Chicago, MAS brothers at Dar al Hijrah in Falls Church, VA, attendees of Masjid at-Taqwa in Brooklyn, followers of Imam Jamil al-Amin in Atlanta are all going to essentially agree with one another and with me. All of these Muslims represent grassroots Muslims and on social issues are all pretty much on the same page and that page is very far from that of the Modernists, Progressives, Cultural Muslims and yes even a number of pages away from Zaytuna even if some have friendly relations with one another.

None of them see this as the ideal society, all believe Islam can transform this society, all believe in dawah, none of them filter Islam through humanism or their secular educations, none of their masjids have free-mixing, uncovered women, gay-acting brothers, veggie meals, readings of Greeks, none are scared to use the word kafir, and the like and I will say that these types of masjids represent a very large percentage of masjids in America.

However, while there is a difference between these grassroots, often working-class, Muslims and the Zaytuna and Traditional types who tend to be more liberal, non-aggressive, less traditional on social issues,  and put a heavier emphasis on their secular educations, that is not the biggest divide.

You will not find that many brothers at the masjids I described going to the salon, wearing hair full of gel, wearing tight jeans, going by non-Muslim names,  and yapping on their cell phones while sitting with a Mac Book at a coffee ship drinking frappaccino, shopping at Whole Foods, and having an “organic lifestyle”. All of these groups espouse a masculine Islam and the brothers would tend to see most of this as less than manly and therefore not befitting of Muslims ( although not haram) and in this there is a cultural divide within the community between these Muslims and the Zaytuna and traditional crowd that also tends to merge into a racial divide.

Reverse Hijrah and Its Problems

As a product of the Reverse Hijrah that began to take off in the 1970’s to America where so many Muslims left Muslim countries to live in America and other Western nations we have a large group of the children of these Muslim immigrants who are now young adults.

The results have not been good. The vast-majority of second-generations Muslims, are not Salafi and going to attend an Almaghrib event or a Dawud Adib lecture and are not Sufi and going to a Zaytuna event or a dhikr circle. No, they are completely detached from the religion and this is the majority.

The biggest group of second-generations Muslims are those we see everyday who do not pray, do not dress as Muslims, do not talk as Muslims, and often marry non-Muslims and will not raise their children as Muslims. Most may still call themselves Muslims although many are open apostates or will say “my family is Muslim”.

Then you have the cultural Muslims, who seem to be a large group online. These are the children of mostly religious Muslim families who see being a Muslim just as part of what they are. That does not entail any serious belief and they tend to be scornful of anyone who takes their religion too serious.  It just means they accept Islam as sort of an ethnic-group and a social construct; but are not too crazy about observing the Sharia in their lives or in gaining any knowledge of the deen. You cannot argue with them because an Islamic daleel means absolutely nothing to them. You give them Quran and Sunnah and they retort with an article from the New Yorker or a book they read by a non-Muslim academic. You mention an Islamic scholar who is not John Esposito or Karen Armstrong and who, God-forbid, graduated from a Muslim university, and they become suspicious. If they have any energy to be used towards the deen it will be to try and change the religion and they are often joined by white Muslims who maybe have been Muslim a few months; but are quickly promoted by darker Muslims with colonial mindsets.

Many of these cultural Muslims are liberals and in this era having a Muslim identity, which is seen as non-white, gives them street-cred with the Left. If you observe there gatherings you will not know that you are observing a gathering of Muslims as boyfriends and girlfriends are together and few, if any, tend to be dressed in any kind of Islamic manner. These cultural Muslims, sitting alongside their non-Muslim demographic group, will tend to have few children and few of these children will grow up to be Muslim.

The smallest group is the religious and maybe Hamza Yusuf and the like can appeal to those cultural Muslims for some reason.

This leads me to two thoughts; do not make hijrah and the indigenous-immigrant divide will never be erased in the Muslim community.

Looking at the disaster of the second-generation how could any Muslim in good faith advise a Muslim to raise their family here if they do not have to?  That is why whenever a brother emails me and says “hey I got a visa and I am coming to America” I tell them to burn the visa and stay in a Muslim land even if it means poverty. The poverty of this life is nothing compared to the fires of Hell. In Pakistan or Egypt your children may grow up and be poor, and bad Muslims, but they will still be Muslim. In America there is a very good chance your children and grandchildren will not be Muslim.

This is not to say that there are not successful examples of raising good Muslim children in America and not plenty of good second and third generations Muslims here, because there are, they are just a small minority though. And, even the ones who have held on to their deen and even prospered in the deen, cannot very well tell Muslims don’t make Revere Hijrah because they themselves are a product of Reverse Hijrah.

The grassroots convert and their offspring, no matter if they are Salafi or Sufi or like most Muslims don’t say they are either, can say “look, I know this place, don’t come here.” It is our home, and we have nowhere else to go, and as long as we are here we will contribute and try and make this place better for everyone, but if we did not see the error of the society and its religion we would have never embraced Islam.


19 thoughts on “Perspective, Digital-Divide, Online Persona and Reverse Hijrah

  1. ” The poverty of this life is nothing compared to the fires of Hell. In Pakistan or Egypt your children may grow up and be poor, and bad Muslims, but they will still be Muslim. In America there is a very good chance your children and grandchildren will not be Muslim.”

    You have said the truth.

    Keep up the good work.

    Even though I am a hardcore Deobandi Sufi and have reservations on some of the stuff you write I think there is need of such confrontations.

    As the pious scholars of the past have said, it is the mutual censuring of each other that keeps them on the correct path.

  2. You will not find that many brothers at the masjids I described going to the salon, wearing hair full of gel, wearing tight jeans, going by non-Muslim names, and yapping on their cell phones while sitting with a Mac Book at a coffee ship drinking frappaccino, shopping at Whole Foods, and having an “organic lifestyle”. All of these groups espouse a masculine Islam and the brothers would tend to see most of this as less than manly and therefore not befitting of Muslims ( although not haram) and in this there is a cultural divide within the community between these Muslims and the Zaytuna and traditional crowd that also tends to merge into a racial divide.

    I disagree mayn. The masjids you describe have all that now. Even the hardcore communities. Brothers be rocking a bluetooth headset with their laptop case on their side while rocking an above the ankle thoub with a miswak in their mouth.


  3. In my day to day life outside of the blog I seldom if ever discuss any of these issues with brothers I know or at the masjid. The reason for that is I do not have to. There is no discussion; because everyone agrees with me and this does not matter if I am in St. Louis, New York, or Virginia.

    This is also the case for me here in SE Asia. The deviancies one finds online isn’t found in real life; everyone here, from kids to adults, are all fairly well taught in the religion. Moreover, living one’s life as a Muslim is reinforced here in many ways. For example, it’s not uncommon for me to see dozens of teenage boys (hundreds during the school holidays) attending jumu’ah every week. Praying at the masjid is seen as an acceptable activity among those kids who may be the most susceptible to cynicism. (It also occurs to me that perhaps the community is tight-knit as well, to the point where some parent might ask another parent if they had seen their boy attending jumu’ah. That sort of thing does happen between my wife’s family and me. “Oh, I saw your uncle at the masjid and he sends you his salaams.”) I view the problem primarily as being one of people lacking a thorough Islamic education and the fact that many Muslim communities on the city/county-level have not reached a critical mass where people, through reinforcing behavior, haven’t quite developed a positive Muslim identity, regardless of what non-Muslims think.

  4. So…..

    Is it closer to the sunnah to eat at White Castle, Popeyes, Mickey D’s, and have wonder bread, Doritos, and endless bottles of soda my shelves? What is so UN-ISLAMIC about eating food with NUTRITION IN IT? Might just stave off cancer and adult onset diabetes….OMG, what a f**** Bid’ah! Even at WIC appts they teach you not to feed your kids s***. It’s hardly an “upper class” thing.

    You don’t have to be a Whole Foods Snob to take care of your body and eat healthy and organic food. There are many Muslim families who join grassroots organic food co-ops and the like….and guess what, many are at or below the poverty line. Many of these co-ops actually stimulate the local economy and ensure that smaller farms in the area stay in business and prosper. What is so un-sunnah-like about that? If the Prophet (peace be unto him) was alive today….what type of diet do you think he would be following? An Arby’s “5 for 5”? Give me a break.

    And MR is right. You can go to any masjid in America and see all types of Bro’s plugged into the matrix. Everybody is wired in nowadays……cell phones, laptops, crackberries, you name it, they ALL have it!

  5. Umar, you are living in US because you want to stay here in comparative safety and comfort, and complain and confront, telling yourself it is nobler to do that than actually go live in a muslim society.

    When I look at muslim societies and religion, I see their error, too.

    If you went to Pakistan and Egypt, error might jump out at you and bite you in the face.

    You endlessly remind me of strict and ignorant Christians I have met, that say the Bible is all the knowledge one needs, with all sorts of dress and comportment rules.

  6. Most muhajirs do not come to the states looking for development of their faith. They come here for the financial and social benefits the US offers. If they have considered the benefits as well as the possible problems they will certainly encounter, I encourage them to join the Muslim Ummah here, but to keep in mind that the resources they have in their country of original will not exist on the level they enjoy now. As an American Muslim woman, I would hesitate to relocate from the US with all its problems to a so-called Muslim country, because there I will be a non-person, viewed based on my present status (non-white and a paraprofessional), dependent upon my male relatives for the most basic aspects of living and subject to legal and social habits that I simply am not prepared to give up, espeically since many have nothing to do with shariah/Islamic law, but rather custom. I know countless Muslims from overseas who have developed as Muslims in the US. And I am sure many American Muslims have heard the line “you are more Muslim than me” from their muhajir friends.

  7. The urge to purge can be a violent one, shared by the Taliban, Nazis, Spanish Inquisition, NE Puritans, Communists, etc. Utopian schemes and dreams of pure societies produce rivers of blood.

  8. “going to the salon, wearing hair full of gel, wearing tight jeans, going by non-Muslim names, and yapping on their cell phones while sitting with a Mac Book at a coffee ship drinking frappaccino, shopping at Whole Foods, and having an “organic lifestyle”.”

    LOL! Now that was too funny. The 5 for 5 deal was funny too. But really, Subway’s $5 footlong is more bang for the buck.

    But in all seriousness, Umar, I agree with 99% of what you say. You may want to take more of a middle of the road approach with the nutrition talk.

    Certainly, vegetarianism is certainly unislamic, I’d even wager it’s downright haram. And I know that most of these so-called whole foods, organic, and “natural” foods and medicines are just a big scam.

    I remember Anwar Al-Awlaki dissing these guys in one of his lecture series for promoting GRASS JUICE. Yeah, that’s a scam. And stupid.

    But there is a good argument for living a healthier lifestyle. We can see with the whole Peanut Salmonella scare going on right now how corrupt the processed food industry is these days.

    And don’t forget the mad cow scare of the early 90’s.

    And since most of us don’t live the rough and rugged lives of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions, we should eat more vegetables and fruits and take vitamins and supplements to maintain a healthy balance. Most of us in America, myself included, live and work in comfortable, cushy, air-conditioned buildings where the most difficult thing we do is lift a stapler.

    Which brings me to my next point. Brothers and sisters, we need to exercise and stay fit. And we should also know how to defend ourselves. I say, mix the two and take up martial arts, if possible.

    I always mention, I grew up in Brooklyn. I remember Masjid At-Taqwa when it was just two rooms and one little bathroom on Fulton and Bedford. But those brothers really believed they may one day be involved in Jihad (oops! did I say a bad word?). And so they trained.

    I also frequented Masjid Khalifah, also in Brooklyn. This masjid was founded by Malcolm X during his days with the NOI, and they are now part of WDM’s group. Like them or not, the NOI trained religiously and that mentality carried over when they accepted true Islam.

    I know everyone can’t take martial arts because of finances or there are no good Islamic alternatives. But we can all do exercises in our home.

    Simply put, if you’re under 40 and you can’t run a minute straight or do 15 pushups, and you’re not injured or sick, then something’s not right.

  9. I don’t know how I ended up on the computer, this matrix gets you and won’t let go. I to due to social-economic reasons did not learn about computers until a few years after HS. But now I am forced to get online for work and other things.
    I did not even know how to drive as well until my early 20’s (a NYC thing)
    I myself love the outdoors, camping, hiking, hunting, fishing, and boating. Know one even my friends understands how someone from the Bronx goes camping, I have been called white several times by so called macho men. All my hardcore Muslim friends that have walked the halls of Sing Sing, lived in Edenwald projects, beat up fags and think they are the manliest niggas around, could not hang with me a day in the outdoors. I took one of my friend on a camping trip, he calls every other person a fag and makes fun of hybrids cars, and tofu. when it came to killing a rabbit for dinner this guy was a pussy. The funny thing is the only brothers that want to go camping and hunting are all yuppies that shop at WholeFoods, drive hybrids, have apple notebooks, and live an organic life. Don’t get me wrong I make fun of their pussy hybrids, but they step up when it comes to wacking a cute deer.
    Hey I think all the manly men should learn the outdoors they might need it when they escape from the big house.

  10. Eliza your forgot the urge to purge shared by Zionist Extremists in Israel, the Kahanists, Avigdor Liebermann, etc.

    @Umar Lee,

    This is shaping to be a real cultural divergence now and I think a lot of people are unmindful of it. There are a lot of second generationers and others who have fallen off, Allah protect the Muslims from this fate. I know this first hand and they have adopted a lifestyle completely devoid of Islam and many are in fact murtads.

    Around where I stay you dont find the liberal types but more of the type who are just bad Muslims engaging in Haraam activities.

    Unfortunately some “mainstream muslim organizations” that I will not name are falling into this liberal-face as well and it’s a shame.

    I think the Umma will have to cope with the fact that in the West we are going to lose some of our sons and daughters. The Fiqh of Minorities and the path taken by some of the young Ulema is a hopeful one and hopefully they will reach more people.

    Allah is the Guide, He guides whom He wills and allows to be misguided whome He wills.


  11. One can be involved in inter-faith dialogue and give dawah at the same time. Straight-out dawah like some people give on Islam Open days at my university never works. In fact one of my friends was put off with the person in the prayer room saying something like: “Islam is the best and everything else is corrupted.” This may be generalising the issue, but what you’ve written here also does that. In fact, there is no particular way of giving dawah. It is by small touches and good sincere disposition that hearts are won. Of course, people who are already wondering about Life will accept the truth in all circumstances. I think we should neither be in opposition nor immersed in a society. That is the balanced way.

  12. I hope that you get the exact same masculine treatment that you lament not seeing in the Muslim world right now…I hope that you’re robbed, converted to Chritianity at gunpoint (through Christian jihadists), force-fed crap junk food (since whole food is sooooo evil…:S), take baths with muddy water….takes care of all the ‘evil perfume and gel’ you know and eventually get castrated for being hetrosexual. And while you’re at it i hope your laptop (if you have one) also gets stolen that you so despise abt elite, upper-class liberals. Ideally this should all take place in an upper-class neighbourhood and it would simply be a bonus if they forced you into a sex-change operation and then made you live as a woman under the Taliban regime. All of this will help you get a dose of the masculinity that we both know you can’t get enough of..;)

  13. Their is a large number of tug wanabees that talk tough, act tough, and look tough. They will be the last person in the world you think is a fag. But the fact is their are many street cats that are gay. The North face, timberland, and baseball hat faget. Many of those guys will talk so bad about fags joking and everything. Guys like this are the reason why many black and brown woman have HIV.
    Also many white men that you would never expect to be gay are gay, you ever see that movie deliverance. Look at vito from the Soprano’s how many mobsters are fagets. But than you have a yuppie that is banging chicks left and right, but one day he has a pink tie and he is tag a fag. I think fags go far beyond yuppies they are in every walk of life. I bet John Wayne was a fag.

  14. “In Pakistan or Egypt your children may grow up and be poor, and bad Muslims, but they will still be Muslim.”

    I’ve never been to Pakistan to comment, but I’m guessing you’ve never spent that much time in Egypt. Your kids WILL still adhere to certain Muslim and Muslim-inspired guidelines for behavior, which is something. But of the heart … times are changing fast there too, and not for the better.

    (P.S. – Don’t you know the tight jeans and three bottles of gel per day habit is all the rage in an awful lot of majority Muslim lands? :P)

  15. The problem is as long as these hadithist run these mosques, many Muslims with an independent mind who do not want to live like a 9th century Arab have no choice but to abandon the mosque. And if thats the only Islam they see they will apostate from Islam and become something else. So many cponverts to Islam who were guided by the Koran came to the mosque and after a year or two left and never came back.

    All these groups that Umar mentioned that “share common ground” do so because they follow the same hadiths. They only differ in its interpretation. There is no difference between Zaytuna or wahhabi or Ikhwani. All are one nation under Bukhari.

    It is up tp us Koranist to grab those discontent crowd and introduce them to the Islam of the Koran. Thats why we Koranist are active in the net. We are religious and we are very strong in faith and knowledgeable about the Koran. We are tolerant and we are mild mannered but we do not go around doing zina and drinking alcohol recklessly or stealing money.

    As long as Bukhari reigns in these mosques they will raise a generation of Muslims who can not relate to Islam because they are no longer able to abide by 9th century Arab standards.

    In Muslim countries you find the same crowd of people as the ones Umar chasticed going to the mosques, but the difference there is unlike the USA they do not hang around the mosques. They just go there and pray and leave and they live lives like anybody else. Many have girlfriends, many do not pray and many believe in stuff clerics consider heresy. Just look at the music videos in Arab countries of Arab artists or look at some Iranian music videos and tell me whats the difference between them and the so called secular crowd that Umar talked about.

    Even in Saudi Arabi most youths spend their time in hip hop music and watching football games. Its just in muslim countries the mosques are government controlled and its there for only prayers and not a hang around club. People hang around elsewhere with their friends and families etc.

    Just go to any college campus and see how muslim youths who just arrived from muslim countries behave and you would discover most just go to friday prayers but spend their time dating girls, watching movies, going to discos and listening to hip hop. And if they come across someone like Umar they would see him as an extremist who is going to lecture them.

  16. As salam aleikum,

    You are definitely right about online identity. Sociologists call it the “modular man”, you only ever see people in one role or another now–the bus driver, the imam, the blogger, the commenter- and don’t ever see the full spectrum of who they are, until they commit a crime and are on the news or have screwed over the community. People are “disposable” now, anything said or done, can be done by anyone else…no one is special, we are faceless. We only see you in a certain context, and in all honesty, you could be a totally different person in real life. So in that vein, I’d apologize for any misgivings in the past…I already have too much beef on my head…even though, you were the one that cursed a Muslim.

    Keep strict on homosexuality…I think this has been compromised far too much now. I don’t think it’s only an immigrant issue- I’ve heard a number of black Imams go soft on the issue. Try and observe the sunnah rather than plain hate. Your adding to our problems when all you do is hate on it, rather than explain where your comin from.

    In all honesty, I look at Muslims sometimes, whoever they may be, you, me, sufis, salafis, immigrants, modern hijabis, thug imams, hip shaykhs…and am afraid. God, what have we become…freaks and clowns…we are nothing like Muslims of the past.

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