Sameer Khan Attacks Umar Lee and Mahdi Bray

Once again I find myself being attacked by crazed Muslim fanatics who see Islam as only a deen of punishment and war and not a deen of mercy and love as I see it. They attack Imam Mahdi Bray along with myself for our concern for the people in California who are the victims of the wildfire and for our love of America and speak in words that are full of hate.I will not dwell on this topic for long, and I have debated the instigator in this matter Sameer Khan in the past and refuted him, I made the comments public and approved them and their insanity is open for the world to see. I say this once again to Mr. Khan; if you only want the death and defeat of America then get out from living in your parents basement in North Carolina, get a job, save some money and buy a ticket and go to Iraq to join your murderous brothers carrying out senseless acts of carnage against fellow Muslims and then I will take you serious while I pray for your defeat and the victory of sane Muslims in Iraq and until then you are a hypocrite for living in America. As for now you are just some young kid full of hate eating your mothers cooking living in your parent’s basement and are misguided and have a circle of young misguided Muslims around you who I pray for.

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39 thoughts on “Sameer Khan Attacks Umar Lee and Mahdi Bray

  1. If I didnt think we’d get into trouble for it, I’d suggest that we all buy these idiots plane tickets so they can all go fight and die.

    Of course they wont, they are cowards. They live off of mommy and daddy, they are not warriors, for God’s sake, they are not even men.

    At least a man would support himself and not live off his parents. A man would not advocate something he is not willing to do themselves. If they support the “jihad” I suggest they go fight it themselves.

    If they do not they are nothing more than cowards with very big mouths, no heart and no manhood.

  2. Bwhahaha.

    As for now you are just some young kid full of hate eating your mothers cooking living in your parent’s basement

    Gold.

  3. “Sameer Khan” (and yeah, Khan is a totally Sunnah name, right?) reminds me of young leftist kids who claim to represent workers and minorities who want nothing to do with them and live out the 8 year plan on their tolerant parents’ dime. Living in America if you hate America is just plain stupid. America has faults, huge ones, but so does every single other nation on Earth, including (especially) many “Islamic” nations. I’m not much of a flag waver, and I’m not a Merle Haggard “Love It or Leave It” nativist (though I do like that song). But if I despised this country I could go pretty much anywhere else on Earth, a privilege that a lot of people who hate their countries do not have.

  4. Umar,

    I dont like this moderation business. In any event lets just pray this boy is guided. If not its best he stay pampered and stupid and nothing more than rhetoric comes from him. Hell fire is a destinations that we should pray our enemies are spared- with the obvious cavets.

    No to Moderating Posts!

  5. If Sameer’s parents are willing to support him, it’s not necessary for him to get a job.

    2 proofs.

    1. The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was supported by wife and uncle for the first 9-10 years of his mission.

    2. The prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) when he challenged the idol worship of his people was living with his parents.

  6. “I have debated the instigator in this matter Sameer Khan in the past and refuted him, I made the comments public and approved them and their insanity is open…”
    No, actually you lost and he won the debate by giving proper evidences. You didn’t even clarify for him that your dua was against the fake mujahideen who weren’t actually fighting for Allah’s cause, so you must have felt guilty like your dua was really against the true mujahideen who actually fight in Allah’s cause. I mean, really! You won! You might have good intentions, but he had to educate you on walaa wal baraa and he did. He was cooler than an outdoor freezer in January and sharper than the straight razor I shave my head with.

    get out from living in your parents basement in North Carolina, get a job, save some money and buy a ticket and go to Iraq to join your murderous brothers carrying out senseless acts of carnage against fellow Muslims and then I will take you serious…
    He’s only 21 and he’s probably in school, so what do you expect him to do? Not tell the truth about a missing part of most Muslims’ shahada because he’s young and still in his parents’ home? Lie? Cover it up? If he left his parents’ home, he wouldn’t be saving as much money then, would he? So it would take him longer to get anywhere, right? And even then, you’d still find something else to say against him because you got schooled in that debate when you could have said from the beginning “I was making dua against the fake mujahideen, not the sincere ones” and that would have been that. Instead, you told on yourself and changed the subject while he stuck to the point and educated you. If he left tomorrow, you wouldn’t know it, and you wouldn’t take him seriously like you say. Did you take Daniel Maldonado seriously? No, you called him a murderer because his wife died of malaria, even though they BOTH caught it and he survived!
    Dave, I have seen suffering, and I would give food if someone asked me for it and I have it to spare…. and I would tell the recipient that if the corruption is moved from an area, they can expect these things to stop happening to them. And yes, Bangladesh has plenty of sins as well as good deeds. They’re sweet people overall, but they’re also prolific at imitating the Hindus; based on what they themselves tell me. If this is what they tell me, how can I argue? And BTW, Dave, idolatry would be a full-bodied pic of anything with a soul, not a face or some eyes alone, or even a bust. You really sound like you’re grasping at straws to side with Meow Lee against a man (me) who didn’t even know about you before now.
    Sameer’s abrasive at times, but he’s not misguided in any way we can see openly. The misguidance that is evident in Abu Sinan, Tariq Nelson, and Umar Lee is that of lack of walaa wal baraa. Your wanting to do good deeds for the people of America is probably a really good intention, but when the knowledge is brought to you with evidences, you outright reject it and dismiss the speaker as not worth listening to because the evidence he brings supports ‘hard Islam’. If we had the upper hand and weren’t getting our butts bombed and roasted at every corner of the globe, it would actually be beneficial to the cause of Islam to give food and aid to the victims. But because their foots are on our necks (which I agree with you all is our fault, too), being nice to them is only taken for weakness, sending the wrong message to them about Islam and Muslims.
    All I wanted is for you all to know what I’ve been fortunate enough to learn, but you insist on a soft Islam that only makes us easier targets for Islamophobes and ultimately the Dajjal himself. I really had no bad intentions for any of you initially and I respected your experiences with the Muslim world. Now, I also make dua regarding you four; that Allah either show you the truth about walaa wal baraa as a condition of shahada or that he remove you from our midst. My preferences are in that order, too. I only want what is best for the Muslims as a whole in the earth and hereafter, even if it means Allah take me from us, so how much less would I care if He chose to remove you for our benefit?
    May Allah give the knowledge we all need to go with our good intentions and rid us of what blocks us from it!

  7. Umar bro,

    As salaamu ‘alaykum,

    Why is it such a big deal and why do you spend so much time on this one individual? I think our time wouldn’t be better spent on real issues than on attacking people who are already weak and despised (whether deserved or not) in order to somehow make ourselves seem like we are brave or something. I know you are not afraid to attack the powerful, so I’m not saying at all that you are a coward, but when people attack the weak it always makes me think less of them.

    Allaah knows best.

  8. Dave,

    The sunnah is to take the name of your father. So, I’m not sure what you mean by insinuating there is something un-sunnah about the name Khan.

    Abu Noor (my sunnah name is Ryan)

  9. Salamun alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu to the believers,

    Umar Lee, if you have an atom’s weight of Imaan in your heart, you would sincerely repent for slandering the Mujahideen, who have reached a high level with Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He.

    Let’s look at the proof for this, if you have an atom’s weight of Submission to Allah in your heart, since you believe the slander of the kuffar against the Mujahideen over the Ayaat of your Lord:

    “There will never seize to exist a group from my Ummah, fighting for the decree of Allāh over-powering their enemy, they will not be harmed by those who oppose them, until the hour approaches them and they are upon it (i.e. fighting for the truth).”
    [Sahih Muslim]

    “…They are lying! Fighting has just begun! Fighting has just begun! And a party of my Ummah will remain fighting on the true path and Allah will deviate the hearts of some men and Allah will provide the fighters from them until the final hour starts and the promise of Allah is fulfilled and good is on the foreheads of horses until the day of Judgment…”
    [al Nasa’i, hasan hadith]

    So, will you believe the hadith of the kuffar, or the revealed hadith of the best of creation, the beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah upon him)?

    Salamun alaykum to the believers.

  10. My friend you have relied on your own logic and over use of maslaha and mafsada, whereas brother Samir has provided proofs from the Book Of Allah. For that reason I think you should retract your comments, for your stance is not suited of a Sunni, and rather more befitting a Mu’tazili murji’a.

  11. Salamun alaykum to the believers,

    Just a note for the slandering comments that are being propogated to our Mujahid brother Sameer Khan by Umar Lee and others here, which have absolutely nothing to do with the issue being discussed:

    “Whoever has wronged his brother with regard to his honour or anything else, let him seek his forgiveness today, before there will be no dinar and no dirham, and if he has any good deeds to his credit they will be taken from him in a manner commensurate with the wrong he did, and if he has no good deeds, then some of his counterpart’s bad deeds will be taken and added to his burden.”
    [Saheeh Bukhari]

    Salamun alaykum to the believers.

  12. Asalamulluykum to the believers,

    Umar Lee, you fall into 1 of the following category of Muslims who reject Jihad & its relevance to Islam today.

    1) Those who are ignorant about Jihad & FeesabililAllah.

    2) Those who want to present a self-crafted-non-violent dawa message of Islam to the non-Muslims. Thus catering Islam to the needs & mind-sets of those disbelievers.

    We can rule out the 1st category because mashallah brother Inshallahshaheed has done an excellent job of explaining Jihad in the context of the Quran & authentic ahadith to you.

    So we are then dealing here with the 2nd category. And Allah Akbar this category is worse than the 1st. And I will explain why.

    You can no longer claim ignorance because the truth has been presented to you. So, you now KNOW the truth. You KNOW what feesabililAllah stands for & those who walk on it. And inspite of all this, you intentionally mislead others around you.

    Islam is NOT a piece-meal message. You cannot take a part of it & decide to ignore the other part for whatever reason. Jihad is part of Islam. An integral & vital part. So present Islam in its entire form to the Muslims & non-Muslims or do not put up.

    “Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah knows, while you know not”.(al Baqara 216)

    You need to stop being a pretender or a caterer of Islam and present the WHOLE of Islam. Allah knows what your reasons are for shying from feesabiliAllah, maybe it is for your dawa reasons, or maybe you are afraid to acknowledge that Jihad is essential in Islam and you will then have to deal with the situation of it being fard-ayn. (Question, do you know what Jihad being fard-ayn implies?)

    At the end of the day, understand this, that every Muslim you mislead with your incomplete message of Islam, you will bear the sins of that Muslim along with your own on the final day. May Allah help you then.

    Then there is your slandering of the noble Mujahideen. SubhanAllah! Muslims like you disgust me. The Mujahideen are dying for our religion, sacrficing their blood so that this ummah will be supreme. And weak-ignorant-self-centered-dunia-driven brothers like you have the audacity to slander them!!!!

    Be mindful of Allah. And be mindful that he dislikes those who speak against those he loves, the sidiqeen, the mujahideen, the salaheen.

    A day will come when you will have to choose between being a American & being a Muslim.

    Fear Allah & correct yourself, because that day fast approaches.

  13. Abu Yunus,

    If Jihad is Fard I suggest you go and pick up your plane ticket and head off for the jihad NOW! Fear Allah Abu Yunus, you KNOW Jihad is mandated by Allah, yet you are wasting your time on this blog when you should be out there fighting God’s war.

    Correct yourself and stop blogging and get to fighting, because as you pointed out, the day fast approaches.

    Why is it these guys are full of exhortations to jihad, yet they refuse to follow their own advice.

    Abu Yunus…..get to fighting…….now!

    I can picture it now, they exhort other Muslims to go fight and die, and when they are done pounding in fury on their keyboards, they head off to mommy’s fridge and pick up a twinky.

    I wonder how many of these guys are on welfare, sitting at home, living off the “fat of the kufar”?

  14. Umar
    I believe all these messages are pretty much just spam. I’ve noticed that whenever you argue with Khan a group of anonymous, separate people show up using essentially similar language but different, unlinked names. There’s a bunch of generic Arabic names and some Black dude with lion iconography worked in. Every time. You may have come to a similar conclusion yourself, but I’m pretty sure that it’s one or two anonymous cowards trying to create a show of support. Or maybe Khan himself. Just a thought.
    Dave

  15. Salamun alaykum to the believers.

    Abu Sinan you are following in the footsteps of Umar Lee with regard to your ignorance of the religion and your childish mockery and slander.

    1. Being sarcastic with the obligation of defensive Jihad.

    “And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.”
    [Surah al-Nisaa’ Ayah 75]

    “…but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them…”
    [Surah al-Anfaal Ayah 72]

    2. Mocking our Mujahideen brothers who are inciting their brothers to Jihad.

    “O Prophet (Muhammad)! Urge the believers to fight.”
    [Surah al-Anfaal Ayah 65]

    “Then fight (O Muhammad in the Cause of Allah you are not tasked (held responsible) except for yourself, and incite the believers (to fight along with you)…”
    [Surah al-Nisaa’ Ayah 84]

    3. Saying that Muslims who are killed in the path of Allah are dead.

    Abu Yunus quoted: “…they exhort other Muslims to go fight and die…”

    Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, stated:

    “Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.”
    [Surah Aali ‘Imran Ayah 169]

    4. Slandering the believers with lies.

    “O you who have spoken the words of faith but faith has not entered your hearts! Do not backbite about the Muslims or seek our their faults, for whoever seeks out their faults, Allaah will seek out his faults even if he is his house.”
    [Abu Dawood classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.]

    “Say (O Muhammad), Produce your proof if you are truthful”
    [Surah al-Baqarah Ayah 111]

    Allah is the one who exposes the hypocrites and grant victory to the believers.

    Salamun alaykum to the believers.

  16. Why is it these guys are full of exhortations to jihad, yet they refuse to follow their own advice.

    LOL! They’re the mirror image of the blood-crazed LGF commenters!

  17. Dave’s words:I believe all these messages are pretty much just spam. I’ve noticed that whenever you argue with Khan a group of anonymous, separate people show up using essentially similar language but different, unlinked names. There’s a bunch of generic Arabic names and some Black dude with lion iconography worked in. Every time. You may have come to a similar conclusion yourself, but I’m pretty sure that it’s one or two anonymous cowards trying to create a show of support. Or maybe Khan himself. Just a thought.

    Let’s break this down…

    I’ve noticed that whenever you argue with Khan a group of anonymous, separate people show up using essentially similar language but different, unlinked names.
    I can’t speak for any except for Khan, myself, and Abu Yunus. Oh wait, that only leaves Abu Muslim, huh? 3 out of 4 ain’t bad. Besides, if we sound the same then it’s ’cause we have the same aqeeda and we don’t run our lives by our opinions where Islam and Allah’s shariah are concerned. That’s the beauty of being Muslim. Opinions affect choice of clothing, choice of food, choice of deodorant, etc. Not choice of aqeedah and choice of stance towards the Muslims and towards the non-Muslims. I can speak for Samir Khan because it’s already openly known who he is from the New York Times and even from the previous debate with Lee. Abu Yunus has commented on my blog before and his IP address was in Chechnya, so I wanted to inform you and Abu Sinan of this. Not to blame you for not knowing, just to inform you. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt because this.

    There’s a bunch of generic Arabic names and some Black dude with lion iconography worked in.
    And?! Lion faces and generic Arabic names are common and not haram. Nor are icons of albino gorillas for that matter. (Snicker.) Really, I like gorillas, too, but may I ask your reason for picking that instead? It’s your choice and I can respect it, but if that’s your icon, why you knocking my lion?

    I’m pretty sure that it’s one or two anonymous cowards trying to create a show of support. Or maybe Khan himself.
    You might guess that, but how are you sure we’re all one or two? And maybe Khan himself?! Oh come off it, he’s neither anonymous nor a coward, obviously. Just ask Michael Moss of the New York Times. His name and city are out there now! It might not be tactical to do, but it’ a far cry from cowardly to give an interview under your real name with his views!

    As for why he has support, it’s because we’re supposed to support one another. The Jews and Christians support one another, and if we don’t, we’ll b in serious trouble, won’t we? Oh wait, too late; we already don’t so we already are.

    And here is a token of my appreciation for your icon, sir.

  18. The problem with Umar lee is he is trying to fight the terrorist ideologically but at the same time follw the Sunni madhab. The problem is the Sunni madhab sides with the terrorist. I know some of you here say I have a one track mind. This is because this issue is central to the whole debate. You can’t fight the terrorist by relying on the Sunni madhab. Just like you can not refute Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer if you believe in the Sunni madhab. This is because Sunnism actually says what these terrorist and the Talibanist are saying and doing.

    The koran of course is something else. One person here wrote:

    Ibn Malik
    October 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
    My friend you have relied on your own logic and over use of maslaha and mafsada, whereas brother Samir has provided proofs from the Book Of Allah. For that reason I think you should retract your comments, for your stance is not suited of a Sunni, and rather more befitting a Mu’tazili murji’a
    End Quote

    Excuse me? Book of Allah? You mean of Book of Bukhari!

    And whats your beef with the Mu’tazilites. It was the Caliph Mutawakkil who cracked down on the Mu’taziltes and chose to support the Ahlul Hadith crowd which you obviously follow. Why should the Mutawakkil choose and we follow? The people did not chose, you just follow what the Abbasids chose for us. Ask yourself what the Mutawakkil and the rest of the Abbasid tyrants saw attractive about the Ahlul Hadith crowd like Imam Malik and Shafi and Ibn Hanbal and their Persian students and hadith collectors like Bukhari and Tabari and Abu Dawoud and the rest of the Persian lobby.

    These takfiris believe half the Koran is abrogated and verse 9-29 is the only verse in the Koran applicable. However it was many Sunni jurist who also said that. The concept of abrogation is a scam. The Koran does not abrogates itself and does not need explaning since it explains itself:

    25.33. And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

    17.89. And We have explained to man, in this Qur’an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse except with ingratitude!

    39.27. We have put forth for men, in this Qur’an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition

    16.89. One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims

    10.15. But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: “Bring us a reading other than this, or change this,” Say: “It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day.”

    6.114. Say: “Shall I seek for judge other than God. – when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail.” They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.

    12.111. There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

    17.12. We have made the Night and the Day as two Signs: the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years: all things have We explained in detail.

    44.2-3 By the Book that makes things clear;- We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We wish to warn,

    6.38. There is not an animal on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but are communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

    Fully detailed, explains everything, uses every parable and similitude, nothing omited and a best explanation for everything. Koran is unique.

  19. WWB
    You sure talk a lot for saying nothing. And drop the adab bit, I saw the comment insulting me and calling me a supporter of “Lee and Abu Sickness”. Khan was outed anyway, he didn’t run out and put this out. He’s still a punk bitch who lives with mommy and daddy and talks big, regardless.

  20. Asalamulluykum to the believers,

    All praise is due to Allah. Allah\’s blessings on our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and his companions.

    Following this trail of the sick comments of Lee & his supporter Abu Sinan or parallelsidewalk just amazes me that there are still ignorant & arrogant muslims as such other there.

    The extent of fitnah & ignorance in the ummah is mind blowing. Brother Inshallahshaheed & brother Walaa Wal Baraa have presented verse after verse from the Quran, presented authentic ahadith in regards to feesabililAllah & not a single sign of light was seen from Lee & his supporters. Instead, they have mocked & ridiculed everything. Astaghfirullah. These brothers have no khasihya of Allah. No fear at all of how they use their tongues.

    They will use anything in their means to spread vice & confusion among the Muslims. And I thought that was the job of the kufar. May Allah give more strength to brother Sameer & Walaa wal Baraa to defend this deen & those that fight for it.

    I will say this in the end, it is most unfortunate, but if we have brothers like Lee, Abu Sinan or parallelsidewalk, then who needs enemies.

    \’deaf, dumb, blind – and they cannot turn back\’ (Al-Baqara, 18).

  21. For all of those advocating jihad, I wonder why you cannot follow your own advice? If YOU think jihad is fard, why arent you doing it?

  22. WWB,

    I would have to correct y0u. Your knowledge of Islam is not as good as you like to think it is.

    Icons of any living animal is indeed haraam. Representation of living beings is strictly forbidden. I thought you’d be aware of that?

  23. Brother Inshallahshaheed & brother Walaa Wal Baraa have presented verse after verse from the Quran, presented authentic ahadith….
    Thank you so much, brother, but Khan gets the credit for the bringing the ayat and the hadith, he quted them before I could even assemble them. Thank you just the same, though.

    Dave, that comment was consistent with my manners. Of course I’ll call you Abu Sickness when you say on your blog that you might be an apostate! Really, I should have called you just plain Sickness, not Abu Sickness, but hindsight is always 20/20. This doesn’t signify that insulting you is my priority/b> in life. Besides, Abu Sickness is mild compared to what really goes through my mind when you advocate Muslims making treaties with apostates, but no one negotiating with ‘terrorists’ who just want to apply the Shariah somewhere and live under it. So, truthfully I was holding my tongue. And I was wrong about you being a supporter of Lee. You’re a wanna-be supporter of Lee but I don’t know if even he would want support from someone who trumpets the non-existent legitimacy of leaving Islam. Still, I asked you about it nicely only to learn where you got this from in case someone really tricked you. But I doubt that seriously.

    Abu Sinan, I didn’t know that busts, heads, photographs, or 2D images were haram in themselves short of being glorified or elevated. I didn’t know because I was actually told differently, that they were not forbidden. Do they also fall in that category? If the evidence shows that they are, then thanks.

  24. One more thing; Khan was outed anyway, he didn’t run out and put this out. He’s still a punk bitch who lives with mommy and daddy and talks big, regardless.
    He was outed months ago on this blog, I saw it. But he gave the interview of his own free will and did not mince words. You on the other hand would rather fight him who’s right than to risk a fight with your government and society for admitting he’s right. No matter his age or where he lives (which shouldn’t be an issue because he goes to school and works), that makes you the punk b…… so f….k you! May Allah forgive me for swearing, but someone had to say it! And standing up to or challenging me or Khan or Abu Yunus or Abu Muslim is the easy way out, so it won’t prove your courage. Besides, I live in another country, so don’t misconstrue my insult as some threat or physical challenge; I’m aware we’ll never meet personally. But admitting Khan, who’s only 21 and still lives at home, is right would prove you brave, and risking a fight with your society and government would really prove you braver. At least he took that risk!

  25. Posting on the internet no more proves ones courage than does calling for jihad when you refuse to fight it yourself.

    If jihad is fard, why arent you guys getting your plane tickets as we speak? Please answer.

    If it is fard and you are not doing so, then you are no different from us who think you lot are a bunch of nutters.

  26. Asalamulluykum to the believers,

    All praise is due to Allah. Allah’s blessings on our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and his companions.

    Abu Sinan, this is a reply to your persistent taunts for departing for Jihad.

    Each of us, i.e. those who recognize the essential role Jihad has in the life of a believer have our respective limitations & obstacles. AlhumdulilAllah.

    We pray to Allah the merciful that he may he help us with these limitations & obstacles in our path so that we may fulfil our duty. We pray to him that may he forgive our shortcomings & bless us with the company of the mujahideen & the shuhada. And may he gift us with firdaus. Ameen.

    I hope you understand what has been said here. Note that Jihad is not simply limited to fighting. Without doubt, kitaal is the pinnacle of jihad.

    Ergo, below is a link to a PDF that details 39 ways to serve & participate in Jihad. This excellent work is a Tibyan Publication.

    May Allah open your heart & guide you.

    http://download.yousendit.com/08C1225D226FBF5D

  27. Abu Sinan is just some stupid kid reiterating the same thing over and over again.

    As for Dave, get a life and stop swearing. Swearing is a maneuver used by the less intelligent when they can’t think of anything to say.

    Bring some Qurán and Sunnah or dont say anything!!!

  28. Abu Yunus,

    So basically what you are saying is that some people have excuses for calling for jihad, but not fighting it themselves?

    I dont think so. If you honestly felt that Islam was in danger of being overwhelmed wouldnt you drop any limitations you have? Basically you are saying that these limitations are actually more important than the jihad, than Islam itself?

    I would then tell you that you are putting other things, mostly worldly, above Islam itself. If you think that Islam is danger of being overrun, then you MUST drop everything else, your children, your spouse, your job, your house, EVERYTHING and join the jihad.

    The fact that you and others here have not means one of two things:

    1. That you really do not believe that Islam is about to be overrun and you do not feel you are needed to go and fight the jihad right now.

    2. That you think Islam IS about to be overrun and you think jihad is justified, but that other worldly concerns mean more to you than the fight for Islam and Muslims.

    Either way, it marks you either as a hypocrite, a liar or a coward.

    So which is it?

  29. Stupid kid eh “Shadows”? I suggest you stay in the “Shadows” saying stupid things.

    I am a grown man with two children. Because I call cowards out for being cowards I am stupid?

    The stupid people here are those who call for jihad and then refuse to fight it themselves and those who defend them.

  30. It’s easy to just say why are you calling out for jihad and not going yourself. You dont know the current situation of inshallahshaeed. That is between him and Allah.

    Inshallahshaheed is doing something Allah commands the Prophet to do, and as his follower, inshallahshaheed is doing the same thing.

    And never once did inshallahshaheed refuse to fight. Not only does this reinforce your stupidity but it also makes you a liar.

    As for your comment to Abu Yunus regarding limitations on going for jihad, then sufficient it is for me to quote this ayah regarding three sahaba who could not go for jihad because of limitations placed on them. Does the sun ever set except with your ignorance displayed before the world?

    91:There is no blame on those who are weak or ill or who find no resources to spend [in holy fighting (Jihad)], if they are sincere and true (in duty) to Allah and His Messenger. No ground (of complaint) can there be against the Muhsinun (good-doers – see the footnote of V.9:120). And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

    92:Nor (is there blame) on those who came to you to be provided with mounts, and when you said: “I can find no mounts for you,” they turned back, while their eyes overflowing with tears of grief that they could not find anything to spend (for Jihad).

    So you see Abu Sinan, you cannot just drop limitations. You should stop using your faulty logic because it is just that-faulty!

  31. shadows15 and friends:

    Interesting. It sounds as if you are saying, “I can’t just drop everything and go fight jihad; I have limitations and complications in my life that pose an obstacle to my own physical participation in jihad. You don’t understand, it’s not as simple a situation as you make it out to be.” If so, fair enough. But wouldn’t you say that the same logic applies to the situation of the Muslim World at large today? If you’re so free to say “look, it’s not that simple” when people challenge you for sitting on the internet and advocating violence and destruction instead of perpetrating it yourself, then why do you advocate such a simplistic worldview when it comes to the politics of the Muslim World? Why don’t you understand why the overwhelming majority of Muslims don’t share your nihilistic, black-and-white mindset?

    Aside from the serious flaws in your groups’ fiqhi reasoning for why these kinds of actions are halal and legitimate forms of “jihad”, today’s realities prevent the rejectionist worldview that you and your friends seem to advocate from being practical. The world has changed a great deal in the past 200 years. It is indeed sad that Muslims were a non-factor in most of these changes, but we have to live in the world that exists in reality today, not the one that exists in our history books. You advocate a political philosophy that was suited to the days before changes in warfare and modern technology, and you don’t seem to comprehend how drastically these changes have transformed the world. The great imams of the past whose opinions on jihad and politics you cite as “proof” of your ideology’s superiority never comprehended a world where it was possible to bombard a country from the sky and kill millions of people without sending a single soldier into combat. They couldn’t have possibly conceived of a system of warfare whereby thousands of people could be killed in a pinpoint attack carried out in the center of a city by a single person. They lived in a time when communication was slow, travel between neighboring countries took weeks, nations based their identity purely on religion, and cannons and catapults were the most destructive weapons around. In their minds, war was something that took place in the frontier regions of large empires, and conquering a country was the only way of transmitting the message of Islam to its people. Needless to say, none of this applies today, which is why we can’t simply pull out fiqhi opinions on jihad and politics from hundreds of years ago and apply them directly to today’s situation.

    Judging by your answer to Abu Sinan’s legitimate challenge to you to put your money where your mouth is, you seem capable of nuanced reasoning. But what I don’t understand is why you expect a nuanced understanding from others regarding your own personal situation, but view the situation of the world at large in simplistic, black-and-white terms.

  32. All right, here’s the thing, I see what both of you are saying but Abu Sinan you forgot a 3rd possibility. Could be they’re calling and planning to go at the same time. Your points AND theirs are valid, but you just forgot one, that’s all.
    Y’all argue too much, for real! I ain’t saying don’t don’t express yourselves or always agree, but y’all argue over everything and jump to some conclusions. It’s sad ’cause it’s so easy to see where both sides are right when you really look at what each side is saying and what they AREN’T saying, you know?
    Enough to make a Muslim wanna go back to smoking weed and drinking!

  33. shadows15 and friends:

    Interesting. It sounds as if you are saying, “I can’t just drop everything and go fight jihad; I have limitations and complications in my life. You don’t understand, it’s not as simple a situation as you make it out to be.” If so, fair enough. But wouldn’t you say that the same logic applies to the situation of the Muslim World at large today? If you’re so free to say “look, it’s not that simple” when people challenge you for sitting on the internet and encouraging violence and destruction instead of perpetrating it yourself, then why do you advocate such a simplistic, jihad-is-the-answer-to-everything worldview when it comes to the politics of the Muslim World? Why don’t you understand why the overwhelming majority of Muslims don’t share your nihilistic, black-and-white mindset?

    Aside from the serious flaws in your groups’ fiqhi reasoning for why these kinds of actions are halal and legitimate forms of “jihad”, today’s realities prevent the simplistic, rejectionist worldview that you and your friends advocate from being practical. The world has changed a great deal in the past 200 years. It is indeed sad that Muslims were a non-factor in most of these changes, but we have to live in the world that exists in reality today, not the one that exists in our history books. You advocate a political philosophy that was suited to the days before recent advances in warfare and modern technology, and you don’t seem to comprehend how drastically these advances have transformed the world. The great imams of the past whose opinions on jihad and politics you and your friends cite as “proof” of your ideology’s superiority never envisioned a world where it was possible to bombard a country from the sky and kill millions of people without sending a single soldier into combat. They couldn’t have possibly conceived of means of warfare whereby thousands of people could be killed in an attack carried out in the center of a city by a single person without the need for an invasion of any kind. They lived in a time when communication was slow, travel between neighboring countries took weeks, nations were formed and fought wars based solely on religion, and cannons and catapults were the most destructive weapons around. In their minds, war was something that usually took place in the frontier regions of large empires, and conquering a country was the only way of transmitting the message of Islam to its people. Needless to say, none of this applies today, which is why we can’t simply pull out fiqhi opinions on jihad and politics from hundreds of years ago and apply them directly to today’s situation. Our great imams approached political problems based on the realities of the world in their time, and if we are to follow their example, we must take into account the realities of today’s world in navigating the current political landscape.

    Judging by your answer to Abu Sinan’s legitimate challenge to you to put your money where your mouth is, you don’t seem entirely mechanical in your thinking (otherwise, you wouldn’t consider “it’s not that simple” a legitimate response to the challenge). But what I don’t understand is why you expect a nuanced understanding from others regarding your own personal situation, but view the world at large in such simplistic, black-and-white terms.

  34. Interesting, I must say.

    I think Sameer Khan wins this exchange hands down as he is following and quoting the real Islamic sources and traditions. People like Umar Lee stand nowhere. They are considered “not enough Muslims” by true muslims and “more dangerous” than true muslims by kaffirs.

    The reason they are considered more dangerous is that because of their efforts to paint Islam in white colours, kafirs remain ignorant of the true threat of Islam and lulled into a false sense of security.

    There is a saying about “dhobi ka kutta”. LOL.

  35. Here at the MSA of Georgia State University we heard about the debate between you and Samir and how you can’t admit that you lost. How dare you say you refuted him? And Abu Sinan and Parallel Sidewalk, this is for you guys. Here’s an update whether you believe me or not! Walaa wal Baraa left the Bahamas and went to Somalia. Abu Yunus also left America and I don’t know where he went after that. Your turn!

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