Another Occupation: Why the West is Coming to Darfur

With news that the largest UN peacekeeping force in the world will be coming to the Sudanese region of Darfur I am sure that George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Pat Robertson, Benyamin Netanyahu, Glenn Beck and others will all be happy now.

I just have one question myself; there have been 200,000 people die in the conflict in Darfur, yet there were millions who died in the conflicts in Congo and Rwanda before that, and where were all of these people calling for intervention at that time? I also seemed to not notice these people rushing to Liberia now that I think of it with their murderous born-again Christian leader Charles Taylor running things ( and as a matter of fact Pat Robertson still defends his ex business partner).

Is this really a UN mission to save the people of Darfur or is it a mission to create a Western military presence in an area that is seen as a potential source of Muslim hostility towards the West and to weaken a strong leader such as Omar al-Bashir? If the Congo would have been a Muslim nation with oil and a leader with strong deen would the same thing have happened?

I think we should see through all of the rhetoric in the meeting and recognize two things; the issue at hand is the exploitation of an internal Sudanese political problem in order to intervene in a nation that has the potential to economically prosper due to the energy resources the nation has, and that instead of sending troops to intervene the international community should be trying to bolster the Sudanese government and give them military aid so that they can control groups of bandits seeking power such as those in Darfur and in this matter the only voice of reason has been that of China.

Think I am wrong? Look at the cast of Characters leading the Darfur fight and find for me the record they have in Africa before this. Then ask yourself this question; do any of thse people want to see another strong Muslim nation with oil?

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60 thoughts on “Another Occupation: Why the West is Coming to Darfur

  1. The UN mission to Congo (MONUC) consists of 17,000 troops and has been in place since 1999. This is currently the largest UN peacekeeping operation.

  2. So let me see if I have the logic down pat…

    (*SMILE*)

    If over the last few years I’ve passed dozens of people with flat tires without (for whatever reason) stopping to help out… then by God… I’d better NEVER stop to help someone out because that would be… inconsistent?

    (*SCRATCHING MY HEAD*)

    Is that really your key argument, Umar???

    We can DISCUSS all the PAST FAILURES of U.S. and/or other foreign nation’s policies, but that’s academic. What concerns me is what we – the U.S. – and the rest of the world SHOULD be doing in Darfar. (Darfar being the present topic of this discussion.)

    Frankly, I support any actions that stop or even slow the ongoing slaughter. Period.

    BTW… (*GRIN*)… ya gonna address Unaha-Closp’s posts?

    BILL

  3. Nothing like fake humanitarian intervention to rally useful idiots behind a cause. Its right up there with the Hollywood “adopt-an-african baby” craze these days. I’ve been saying this since last year, where is the “Save the Congo coalition”? If all these “peacekeepers” are in Liberia, Ivory coast, Congo, they’ve done a very poor job.
    Won’t be holding my breath for the “Save Palestine coalition” to come into existence any time soon either. Bet the zionists wont be signing up for that.

    http://montages.blogspot.com/2006/04/save-darfur-dont-give-peace-chance.html

  4. Umar do not worry about the UN, DrM is on the money the UN does a poor job. They were in Rwanda prior to the killing and did nothing to prevent it. The Congo conflict continues around the peacekeepers. Getting the UN to go anywhere is a BS PR sop hollywood can get its face on, look good and use to sell a few movies.

    And the UN presence might work out well for Al Bashir. He looks better in the eyes of PR happy Hollywood adoring idiots for acting with the UN. Also strategically he has approved restrictive terms of engagement for the troops so that the UN only engage in stopping attacks on civillians and not disarm anyone. Al Bashir has imported 80,000 pro-Khartoum muslims to take up residence in Darfur and at the same time 500,000 anti-Khartoum tribesmen have been displaced. With the UN operating under this mandate they must stop those displaced from fighting their way back into their old homes. The UN presence frees up some of Al Bashir’s forces who would have been protecting the imported citizens to go hunting for rebels and to move to south Sudan (where the SPLF is getting restless).

  5. We must ask, would the West be intervening at all if the Arab Leage had advised Sudan early on about the immorality of treating Darfurian Muslims in such a fashion. If the Muslim world had showed outrage at the treatment of fellow believers in Darfur would we have given the opportunity to the West to potentially exploit the Sudan. Perhaps if we had shown such outrage three years ago as an Ummah, the crisis in Darfur would have been resolved. Now we want to complain because the West is getting involved, as if we couldn’t see this coming.

  6. A bit simplistic and myoptic, Umar. A Western conspiracy behind every bush huh? Can we agree that there are over 2 million Sudanese living in IDP camps, the Janjaweed use rape as a tactic and someone should give a damn about the people? When I was in Ghana, our perimeter was secured with the help of Ghanaian army men who had just returned from a U.N. peacekeeping mission to the Congo. I have a picture of me holding a Russian weapon alongside them to prove it.

    Tammy Swofford

  7. I think it is indisputably agreed that the U.N is a joke. It’s a Western proxy, under a mask of world consensus, which is another joke.

    However, I have to take the side of the victims and the oppressed in this case, who happen to be Muslims. Even more disgusting the oppressor and killers are also Muslims and I’ve been taught to speak the truth even if it tastes bitter. Therefore, let the UN Peace troops come even if they save one life I would be impressed, as saving one life is as saving all of Mankind.

    To my brothers that may disagree, what alternative do I have, where are the ulama with the fatwas of how wrong this situation is. Where is the Ummah, that would change this wrong with their hands ? Where is the Arab League, where is the OIC. Let’s be honest the Arab League and OIC is just as inept as the UN. With that said it appears the only alternative to the UN is nothing.

    Damn this taste BITTER, Umar or brothers, please correct me if my rationale is wrong. !

  8. We don’t believe the infidels’ media. You Western Muslims know very well how corrupt the Western politicians are, so why do you make exceptions to the Western media which is controlled by the corporate elite and the Zionist Jews and Christians?

    I wrote about Darfur here before, but I think at least Umar missed it: they want to divide Sudan, after the south they want Darfur to break away now. They want the uranimum that was discovered in Darfur, just like they were after the oil that was discovered in the south that is to break away soon. They don’t want anymore big Arab or Muslim nations that would grow wealth. The crappy joke about Arabs raping Blacks in Darfur makes the saddest SANE person crack up!!! Sudan is mixed Arabs and Blacks for centuries now, there is hardly a difference between the two. Blacks in Darfur are Arabs because they speak Arabic (that’s one of the definitions laid down for an ‘Arab’ by our Prophet himself), they are Muslims..and in fact they have the highest number of hafizs (those who memorize the Quran) in the entire continent. Some nomadic tribes clashed with the sedentary folks in the region over pastureland, and that was it. China has growing interests in Sudan now, as it seeks more oil imports, and it has sent an envoy few months ago who appeared on television and said that all the Western countries are spreading about a Darfurian crisis is a HOAX!!! Because they want to get Sudan after they got Iraq and Libya, and if they get Sudan they will go after Egypt next!!!

    Where are the proofs on these ‘massacres’ and the 2 million refugees??? Omar al-Bashir declared Sudan an Islamic state, i.e., he installed an Islamist regime, so even the Saudi royals then started aiding John Garang the crusader because the Saudi hypocrites don’t want real Islamic regimes around them, or any revolutionaries (they sent Pakistani warplanes to bomb the PLO during the Black Septemeber clashes with the troops of the freemason the destroyed King Hussain in 1970, yes, the Saudis paid for Pakistanis to send warplanes to bomb the Palestinians in the forests of Jarash and all. Shouldn’t you be asking why America hasn’t gone after the cradle of “Wahhabi Jihadists” in “Saudi”, those men who caused this whole mess around the world? If Saudi Arabia was anything near real Islam like Omar al-Bashir was (or Saddam in his last 10 years of ruling) they wouldn’t be the closest allies to America.

    The Western powers have a long history of lies and hoaxes, we’ve seen that in Palestine, Iraq, Libya, and now Sudan. The UN is anti-Muslim, anti-Arab; it doesn’t hesitate to break regions away from Muslim nations like it did with East Timur (when they also sent UN troops, with Australian help, to help impose an independent East Timur -a largely Christian region of Indonesia), but God forbid that Bosnia gain full independence or that Chechnya do, or Kashmir, or Burma, or Palestine!!!

    Stop taking your news from the kafirs!!! What the hell is wrong with you, people??????? Haven’t you been lied to enough already????? Do you ever learn????? How can you fall in the trap again by the imposters of the West who spread about Saddam having links with al-Qaeda, having WMDs, etc etc???

    America is funding the seperatists in Darfur, but you will see how Allah will have revenge from the wicked Americans: He will divide and weaken their land, so be prepared for then, because Allah doesn’t neglect the wrongdoers, He only postpones His punishment. You’ll see it in your lifetime insha’allah.

  9. Brother Hakim I do not think your rationale is wrong

    May Allah bestow His Blessings and Mercy on those who seek Truth and Guidance.

    Where was and where is the Ummah when muslims are killing muslims intentionally? And this isn’t holy jihad. I asked some brothers on University Campus about this when they were in such an uproar about the tragic events taking place in Iraq, and how Jews are this and America’s that and this and horrible and what not. So I asked, what about Sudan and Darfur? What about the mistreatment of Muslims to other Muslims and the rapes of women and what not.
    To my Ummah which I am part of, we must stop hating the West and blaming them for everything when many of our problems come from within. Why are muslims killing muslims? Don’t we all know the Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) ( I’m paraphrasing) said that muslim who dies and and the muslim who has killed will both enter Hell? Don’t we know the Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) (I’m paraphrasing) said we would follow our predecessors step by step foot by foot into a lizard hole? talking of the Jews and the Christians? We know this and still. That’s why I continue to stress Tawhid and love and fear for Allah. We must struggle to please Allah. Believe and do good deeds. Hear and Obey. Look at our state! We have Muslims giving Fatwa’s everyday and speaking with so much certainty. Doesn’t Allah know best? We have Muslims, taking other Muslims out of the fold of Islam because of their dress! Between Muslims, so Muslims, in their native tongue call Muslims of another culture Watermelon eaters. That’s just like calling someone a nigger if you ask me. Now I may be giving fuel to the non-muslim aristocrats plaguing this site but I must tell the truth even if it tastes bitter. Before we go on the onslaught of how wicked the west is, Lets take care of our ownselves inshaAllah. Let’s get back to Tawhid and good Adaab inshaAllah.

    May Allah bestow His Blessings and Mercy on those who seek Truth and Guidance inshaAllah.

    Darfur bothers me a lot brothers and sisters. For me it’s like a tipping point for the injustices we do to each other everyday. Umar said something about a brother not giving him Salaam in St. Louis in another blog. I wouldn’t know what to call that specific situation I wasn’t there to witness it. I have been in situations where Brothers will be in the Masjid and look at me with disgust as if I’m not muslim or as if I shouldn’t be sitting where I’m sitting in the masjid like I should be hiding myself.Brothers refuse to give Salaam, and seem shocked as if a black man can not be so articulate or know the deen, like I converted in prison ( nothing against the brothers who did but we all didn’t find Islam that way) I was born muslim. And in those situations I’ve learned how individual this religion is. Allah has made us brothers when we were once enemies with Islam. And we treat each other as brothers to seek the pleasure of Allah. I rejoice and love all my brothers though I may not get that love back. It’s okay because Allah is my judge and knows my heart. But if we all focused more, including myself I’m no one special, in focusing on seeking the pleasure of Allah and had it in our hearts inshaAllah then our brotherhood, our Ummah would be even much stronger and many of our problems would cease inshaAllah. And Allahu Allum.

  10. Brother Hussam,

    I love you brother. Though I do not think that Darfur is a hoax. It may not be displayed, as you said by the biased media as it truly is, but I do not think it’s a hoax. Muslims are definately killing muslims. And I know that customs of war between even muslims in some parts of Africa, even in marrying women, is forceful and by rape. This is not our way, but some misguided brothers do use these means. Something must be done to stop this.

  11. Bro, whatever really happened in Darfur, it wasn’t Arab vs. Negro (I say ‘negro’ as a race, what else would I call the ‘African race’ with its distinct features? You hear that, my Berber brother?). Sudanese Arabs seek only to spread the use of the Arabic language in the Sudan, i.e., Arabization, now that can’t be harmful or bad!!! We didn’t spread it there with the force of iron and fire like the Europeans did in Africa itself!!! We never uprooted Africans from their native settlements like the Europeans did!!! It was nomads and sedentary folks fighting over their only means of livelihood. Blame al-Bashir’s regime for not caring enough abotu the welfare of his subjects!!! Omar ibn Abdul-Aziz, the Umayyid caliph, put an end to poverty during his 2-year reign!!! This was in the first Islamic century, 1300 years ago!!! If al-Bashir was really religious he wouldn’t sleep the night with one Muslim feeling unsafe or uneasy about tomorrow ever there be food for him and his family or not!!!!

    When Muslims fought one another it was because of fitnah aroused by non-Muslims (like the Saba’ites -the followers of the founder of Shi’ism- who caused the first “civil war” in Islam in which tens of thousands died) or it would be between secular Muslims (like the current regimes, which have all renounced Islam, whether some here like this fact or not) vs. real Muslims, or it would be between pseudo-Muslims (like the Alawites of Syria) vs. the Sunni-Ikhwanis in Hamah, in 1982, when they killed 20,000 Sunnis in few days. To Jews it looks like Arabs killing Arabs, and they laugh at us. But to us it doesn’t matter, if one is an enemy of Allah deserving of execution according to Islam, even if he were my son or father I’d fight him. But the infidels monitoring our world don’t understand things like we do.

    I don’t know exactly why the Mujahidin fought one another after the Soviets left Afghanistan, but I heard the Americans were behind it, becuase they wanted to kill the Muslim happiness in its cradle and quell the thought that a Jihad like that against the Soviets in Afghanistan then..was a good thing to do, and the solution to liberate Muslims from non-Muslim rule. This is exactly also what they tried to cause between the Islamic state of Iraq and the Islamic (Nationalist) Army: Shia elements infiltrated the lines of both and caused a fitnah (you don’t read the forbidden news coming out of Iraq which we read on websites like http://www.IslamMemo.c!!!).

    Allah in 49:9 tells us that Muslims would fight one another, but one side would be the oppressor. Now I don’t want anyone to tell me that Muslims are killing one another in Iraq. The Shia aren’t Muslims, and they started it!!! Iran is backing them, and its these neo-Safavids again with their massacres, like their forced Iran into Shi’ism, they are now “cleansing” Iraq of its Sunnis, the real and only Muslims!!! It’s Muslims vs. Heretics, Muslims vs. Apostates (the Shia). We don’t care if the bulk of Iraq’s Shia were from pure tribal Arab origins, if they are not on the true religion and rose arms against us, we’re taking them down and they won’t win against us. If the mujahidin can humiliate America in Iraq like that despite the arm embargo and the conspiring surrounding regimes including Alawite Syria, then we can take Iran for sure (esp. that it’s flanked now by Salafi Jihadists in Afghanistan and Iraq; and if you don’t know, we have hadiths about al-Mahdi -the real one, not the Shia’s who’s the Dajjal and the Jewish messiah) our Mahdi will fight Persia (Iran) and conquer it. One third of Iran is Sunni and these brothers will rise up against the racist, heretical regimes of the so-called “ayatollahs”.

    The infidels would cause fitnah among the real Muslims, like Ibn Saba’ did, his Shia progeny did recently in Iraq, and like America always did. It’s not something to be ashamed of, and everyone will be resurrected in the Day of Jdugement and asked why he fought the other. Allah would forigve the two Muslims who fought one another, despite that hadith you cited, but that’s not the only hadith about this matter. We have one where the Prophet (pbuh) says Allah will “laugh” at the two Muslims who will come to Him during the Account complaining from what each one did to the other, then He (swt) will forgive both and send them to Heaven.

    If two poor Muslims hurt one another over food, then they are only humans, however such very ignorant Muslims. They are not the ideal Muslims, for a Muslim would offer the mouthful in his hand to his starving brother. We have in our narrations a depicted scene of a group of Sahabah all of whom were dying, one of them asked to drink some water before passing away, but when water was brought he offered it to the dying Sahabi next to him, the other offered it to the one next to him,..until they all passed it around, and when the carrier of the water returned to the first he found he had passed away, so did everyone else by then. Such is the example of Muslims when they know Islam well. An Arab would put his Berber brother first, before him, to drink, even if he would have asked for it first. The Arab would give his food to his Negro brother before his own child who would be weeping out of thirst and hunger. Those aren’t Muslims who fight over dunya, its food and waters. They are stray humans, found in every religion and race and place. Nothing to be ashamed of. Everyone represents only himself.

    So stop making us look like we’re angels! We’re humans, and most of us Muslims don’t know Islam well enough to be ruled by it. The people who fought in al-Jamal (Ali on one side, Talha and al-Zubayr and Aysha on the other) they were being called to stop, by Ali, Talha, and al-Zubair, but they didn’t listen!!! The rage took the best of them, feeling betrayed for the night slayings that were perpetrated by the Saba’ites to make each army think the other has done it (even though they were performing prayers together that night, in the same congregation!!! Lots of lives, tens of thousands, would have been saved if the Saba’ites -the early Shi’ites- were extermined early on!!!!!)

    That’s why we should exterminate all heretics before they grow into beasts, that’s why we don’t tolerate heresy and hypocrisy in our religion. When the Sunni Turks didn’t uproot Shi’ism from Iran, look where we are now!!! They were so keen at conquering more European lands, how foolish, and leaving their backyard full of heretics and Majoos!!! Likewise the stupid Gulf-Arab regimes today don’t seem to be taking enough measures for the time when Iran will awaken its sleeping cells of Shia Arab traitors, and thus more innocent lives of (Sunni) Musilms will be lost.

    When the Arabs tolerated the Alawites, there came the day when a handful of them with guns rounded and killed 20,000 Sunnis in Hamah, demolished mosques on top of those who sought refuge inside them, including old men and pregnant women.

    The softies who dont’ want to see blood being spelled from the gutts of the heretics are only preparing for the scene of countless innocent lives lost by these very heretics they now would be shunning fighting. Had we known Islam well, we wouldn’t have allowed Mubarak and the Saudi royals to continue to rule us, or the destroyed Hussain of Jordan, or even Arafat. Had we read the Shia books we wouldn’t have congratulated the curse Khomeini upon rising to power.

    But Muslims don’t know. They are busy, like the infidels who continue to be the majority of this planet, busy with their lives, running after their livelihood, leaving it all upon a small faction in our ummah to restore it’s glory and cleanse its ranks from the filth that has stuck in it over the centuries.

    I wrote this without fully reading what you, at-Tawab, wrote. I may return to do that later.

  12. AsSalaamu Alaikum Brother Hussam, I will not respond brother until you’ve read all that I have wrote. :-)

    May Allah bestow His Blessings and Mercy on those who seek Truth and Guidance.

  13. Again, as I know the UN is a joke, I know the western corporate owned media is a joke.

    However in this age, Muslims have satellites feeds and television stations as well, and that’s not to stay these western back Muslims regimes around the world media is any better.

    But that’s sought of the point, Muslims media are not acting to counter any perceived lies in what being propagated in the West either and this does not involve using your hand.

    Some of our Ulama will give fatwas about the most mundane issues. i.e., length of the bottom of your pants to the ground or your beard and the permissibility of not returning Salaam for these reasons.

    BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING, WHERE ARE THEY NOW.

    Before we blame anybody, we have to look inward, especially if so-called Islamic regimes fail to correct wrongs in their own borders, or in their own villages saying nothing of the international struggle.

    I am a Muslim in the West, and who is stopping me from the being the best Muslim I could be, if I miss Fajr, or not lower gaze, or engage in vain talk or if I see someone in need and it’s within my ability to help and I just walk on by.. There is no western military power or media preventing from doing so.

    Don’t get me wrong the west is the mother of many ills around the world, but we can’t blame them for our own deficiencies and our excesses and how inept and afflicted we have become. Lastly Allah (ta ala) has stated translated in English:

    “Mischief has appeared on the earth and sea because of that the hands of men have earned. That (Allah) may give them a taste of their deeds, in order that they may turn back”.
    (Suratal Rum: 41)

    Ironically, enough note the name of the surah.

    We have to stop making the West a big BOOGEY MAN in our minds because in our minds, we empower them, their irrelevant and they themselves are instruments of Allah (ta)’s plan to give the Muslims a taste of deficient and excessive deeds, we should take note of that and make Taubah.

    Note Bani Israel’s temple being destroyed and peoples were displaced due to their own sins by the Babylonians. The Babylonians were knee deeps in Jahliyyah, in actuality their ability to do this to Bani Israel had nothing to do with them it was all about Bani Israel’s corruption. Then Allah (ta ala) brought them back.

    Let’s stop putting emphasis on the west and put emphasis on OURSLEVES.

    Yup, still taste bitter.
    SALAAM

  14. I think the Muslim community has done an awful job of standing up when Muslims are being killed. This has always been the way things are and it is a shame.

    That should not keep people from seeing the Dafour issue for what it really is. I dont think many of the people jumping behind this issue, whether Hollywood stars or Muslims really know the roots of the conflict and what is going on.

    It is not some racial/genocidal issue. The whole thing started as a conflict between one tribal group and another over water and grazing rights. As we know, water in the area is becoming more and more scarce.

    Once tribal group started the violence. This is the same group that is current being said to be a victim of genocide. The government troops responded to the violence to try and put it down and used fighters allied with the tribe that the original people had attacked.

    A good analogy here would be me trying to rob you and me getting upset because the police and my victim ended up getting the upper hand.

    The “rebels” started the violence and their fighters and the communities who sheltered them got the bad end of the stick. That happens sometimes when you attack people, you dont always win.

    Basically what Clooney and others are doing is taking the side of the original aggressor in a tribal war. A war over grazing and water rights for goats.

    For others it is an excuse to have another go at a Muslim state, people like the Israelis and the far right Zionist Christians.

    It is interesting to note how much the Israelis really care for the Sudanese……….note how they are treated when they go to Israel as victims of a supposed genocide. They are locked up in camps…..jailed.

  15. Oooh Tammy has a PICTURE! Hear that people? Stop and take note!

    Tammy, sounds to me like you were just WAITING for the perfect moment to brag about your little picture. Unfortunately, having a PICTURE does absolutely NOTHING to support your counter-argument. Try again.

    My point: Muslims killing other Muslims or any other living thing or being = NEWSWORTHY.

    Non-Muslims killing other Muslims = we’ll get around to dealing with it.

    Recent case in point: BOSNIA. Whole communities slaughtered and raped right in the heart of Enlightened Europe. How long did it take for anyone to notice? Were were Bono and Angelina then? No, no, no wait. The Bosnians DID have the overwhelming help of the UN. You know, the guys that sat there and picked their noses as thousands of men were taken out to be shot and buried in fields? Some help. SOME “attention from the Western world”.

  16. Salam.

    Umar, I like you bro but you seriously disappoint me with your logic in this post. How can you be so simplistic?

    You come off as very pro-Bashir and you act like this news is not good at all for Sudan. It is. It’s excellent news.

    The peacekeeping force will help keep order. This is in the interest of the West and Sudan too. If there is no stability in Sudan, there can’t be real development in places like Darfur. Also please remember that it was Western pressure lead by the United States which played the biggest role in ending our 20 year old bloody North-South civil war. As a Sudanese I’m thankful to America for that.

    I’ve followed Darfur’s news closely for the past year almost daily. I started with the same exact ideas you have in this post but I realized it’s all mostly propaganda. Oil is certainly a factor but this force isn’t a colonizing one. Sudan has abundant natural resources which are high in demand (thus the huge attention unlike previous conflicts) and like I said, stability will make investing in Sudan much more attractive which is mutually beneficial for Sudan and whatever American corporations that decide to invest in oil i.e. Chevron, ExxonMobil etc. This will happen after the sanctions are removed obviously. To remove them now immediately will be political suicide for the White House. However when Darfur calms down, the time will be right.

    Omar al-Bashir’s ruling National Congress Party has repeatedly said previously that they want better relations with America. Bush even offered to meet al-Bashir last year.

    The reason this deal took so long is because of the unfortunate amount of distrust between Sudan and America. The only reason Sudan is accepting the deal now is because of THIS.

    However Umar, let’s just for a second assume that there is indeed an evil Zionist or Western conspiracy to colonize Sudan, shouldn’t we Muslims still be ashamed of ourselves? What happened to the so called “Ummah” we Muslims keep talking about. I’ll tell you what happened. The Ummah doesn’t give two hoots about black people getting killed and raped. Ops but no wait, there are no people dying in Darfur. It’s a lie. It’s an evil Jewish conspiracy.

    Sadly bro, that’s the truth. Either way, it’s not about “them” but about “us”. We’re ultimately responsible.

  17. May Allah bestow his Blessings and Mercy upon those who seek Truth and Guidance.

    The developments in Sudan and in many other parts of the world where there is a muslim population is being manipulated by those who aren’t muslim. Yes this is true.
    Many of these nations are being exploited for their natural resources and it is being disguised in the transparent mask of helping the people.

    I’d be happy though if the Muslims would concern themselves with helping each other more rather than focusing on how evil the West is all the time. Yeah, the Bush Administration doesn’t care about any of those people their affecting as long as they get what they want and that goes for the lot of them, but as Muslims, these our muslims being killed and hurt, is there anyone eager to help the Muslims in need?
    And to that I must look at myself. We must all make a concerted effort to do better as those who have embraced Islam.
    All of these things that caused the war, it should not have gotten this far if those involved were more concerned about the Hereafter and the Pleasure of Allah. That’s extremely hard to do these days and very easy to say but we have to live our lives on this earth by the Criterion. Those who do not follow our faith are not our teachers.

  18. I strongly disagree with brother Umar.
    The Sudan is a very racist country and the conflict in Darfur is fueled not only by fight for natural resources, but also by RACISM.
    Yes, you have heard it right.
    I fully support the West’s intervention in the Sudan. It is long overdue. And unlike you, I don’t think that we should let them die instead of having the West getting involved.
    And Umar, instead of sitting here and yapping at why the West is intervening in Sudan, I suggest that you take a trip to Darfur or to Eastern Chad and see how the “black” african muslims, the majority of whom are totally innoncent and did not take arms against the murderous regime in Khartum, are suffering there.
    I have never been to Sudan but I have been to Chad, and I can tell how I saw first hand how racist and evil these so-called light-skin negroes who called themselves “arab” are and how they think they are superior to the other darker skinned africans.
    If you don’t know, it has been documented so many times that there is slavery in Sudan.

    And by the way, the Arab League could not give a shit about what happening in Sudan. Arabs, in general, view black people as inferiors/slaves and could not care less about what is happening to black african muslims there.

    So, Umar, I would respectfully ask you to shut the hell up. You don’t know jack about what you are talking about.
    If you want to support the murderous, racist, arabo-fascist, self-hating negroe governement of Sudan, then that’s fine. You can side with your “arab” brothers.

    I am a practicing muslim al hamdolillah and black. I fully support the fight of those who consider themselves African in Darfur. I think that Sudan should be partitioned. The South should be independent. Darfur, which is in Western Soudan should also be independent.
    The rest of Sudan, who consider themselves arab and only care about their own kind, should not be allowed to impose their will and pillage the natural resources of these other areas.
    As long as these self-hating negroes who call themselves arab keep their supremacist ideologies, there will never be peace in the Sudan.

  19. Imagine if US soldiers did what the janjaweed do. Would you all be calling it a hoax?

    Imagine if the Canadians in Afghanistan were busy using rape as a weapon of war?

    God damn, you guys want the Darfur conflict to just continue? It would seem many muslims only care when other muslims are being killed by the “imperialist west”. When muslims kill muslims, even on a scope much greater then anything the west is doing it is a hoax, you don’t want UN intervention or any outside pressure used to stop the conflict.

    God damn.

  20. WOW,
    Oh its not about oil it’s a bout water, glad that’s cleared up, Oh it’s not Arab vs Black it’s tribe versus tribe, this makes a world of difference. Oh it’s not a million killed it’s a measly hundred thousand.
    I don’t care if it for Gold or if it was between Martians and Earthlings. If they are Muslims they are my brother and I feel pain. In fact if they were non-Muslims being oppressed and slaughtered, we have to support the victims and have an obligation to ENJOIN THE GOOD AND FORBID THE EVIL. The Prophet (pbuh) is recorded as saying, paraphrasing in English, If Fatima stole he would cut her hand off.
    As Muslims we supposed to be the example for the world. Tell me how can we right the wrongs of the world if we can’t even right the wrongs of Ourselves.
    Let stop covering up our deficiencies and excesses, by pointing at the wrongs of everyone else as some sought of justification. I’m primarily talking to myself
    Look, I understand its Muslim dirty laundry being aired, it’s shameful from all angles.
    Drima, you seem to be excited from the potential prospects of this shameful situation, as it will bring American investments. This is just setting the Sudan up to be exploited. Have you seen the record high profits of oil companies? The companies benefit more than the Country and only the elites of the countries benefit. Have you seen Nigeria ?

  21. “It is not some racial/genocidal issue. The whole thing started as a conflict between one tribal group and another over water and grazing rights. ”
    The Hutus and the Tutsis were both black African. It was still a genocide. When I get some time, I’m going to comment on my take on the history of Darfur. I guess I should be careful since I have been trying to get a visa to Sudan to do research. But the likelihood is that I won’t get it. One major AFrican Muslim scholar was recently denied a visa. And he’s well connected in Sudan. They really don’t want observers to witness with their own eyes what is going on.

  22. I am not denying there is evil being done by the regime in Khratoum; but I think Muslims are being simplistic in supportuing this intervention, when you look at the cast of charcters who are leading this effort and if you support the precedent of western internvention today do not be suprised when it comes back and bites us in the a**. Why are the troops in Chad by the way? For the same reason the they are are in Somalia, and Tammy do not run to the right-wing knee-jerk position that says every time you disagree. with someone or deny the deity of America it is a consipracy.

    West African Muslim I do not know where you are coming from, if you are some kind of “progressive” Muslim or Muslim Wake-Up tyoe but from your posts you seem to eb ehading in that direction although I agree with you that most Arabs hate blacks and it is a part of the culture I cannot support the occupation of another Muslim country by people who have no concern for human rights and are using this as an excuse to occupy Muslim land.

  23. The Hutus and the Tutsis were both black african but of different ethnic background. And the conflict there was racial/ethnic.
    What is happening in Sudan is basically the same. One group who call themselves “arab” has been dominated the country and all the other “african” groups (the dinka of the south and the fur people of the west) were made second-class citizens and subjected to the rule of their light-skinned arabized fellow countrymen.
    Even though the conflict started as a fight over natural resources, it has evolved into a racial conflict with the so-called “arab” sudanese trying to clear Darfur of the fur people by burning and looting their villages, killing the men and rapping the women (claiming to try to make them have “brown” babies), all of this with the blessing of the central governement in Khartum.

    A lot of muslims are in denial or simply don’t care. We care a lot of more when the ones who are doing the dying are arabs, european or asian muslims.
    That’s the sad truth.

  24. Umar said: “I cannot support the occupation of another Muslim country by people who have no concern for human rights and are using this as an excuse to occupy Muslim land.”
    No one despises more western imperialism than me but if the west intervention in Darfur can save hundreds of thousands of african lives, I fully support it. I don’t care what their motivation are, the rest of the muslim world won’t do jack about it.

    It seems that you would rather let hundreds of thousands of your fellow muslim men die rather than support the West’s intervention in Darfur.

    By the way, I am far from being “progressive”. If anything, I am WAY more conservative than you and unlike you who want to beat a couple of muttawa, I fully support them.

  25. Everyone, with all due respect, you people might want to start reading this before you start yapping. I’m the editor of the website. I wrote all the pages on the right side-bar there and most of the posts.

    http://darfur-awareness.org/

    My position has always been anti-intervention but now Khartoum has effectively agreed to the deal which means the risk of the war getting bigger is no more.

    Hakim, please bro, I don’t like this situation which is indeed shameful and extremely tragic. I’m just saying that from an economic perspective, it’s not as bad as it seems and it’s not some evil conspiracy to steal the resources. Plus you haven’t seen how the Chinese are slowly taking over. They’re empowering al-Bashir’s regime and hindering democratic progress. Moreover American investments coming into Sudan will resolve the current imbalance. We Sudanese need to diversify our sources of investment.

    While the United States is no angel and I in fact vehemently oppose various actions, it’s much better for us Sudanese to lean towards America than China.

    Umar, I get the impression you’re siding with Khartoum more than the rebels. If that’s indeed the case, then frankly it’s extremely disappointing. The rebels certainly are no angels. This isn’t a Good Vs Evil conflict as has repeatedly and simplistically been displayed on the Western media. It’s basically Bad Vs Worse, the Khartoum government being Worse.

    If you really want to know the extent of how bad things are in Darfur and Eastern Chad, if you want to know the extent of suffering happening there, then watch this documentary. It’s by an Arab guy who was financed by Saudi channel al-Arabiya (not some Zionist organization, so there’s no risk of it being lies/”lies”). Here:

    http://www.darfur-awareness.org/2007/07/20/jihad-on-horseback/

    West African in Philly, chill man. You’re being simplistic. Want to see a picture of one of the ICC Darfur suspects? Then check THIS.

    Does he look Arab to you? And for the record, I’m Afro-Arab.

    Again, no disrespect intended towards anyone but I’m Sudanese. I know what’s happening. I know people down there. I spent almost everyday of the past year researching all aspects of this conflict because I was getting sick of all the noise in which true facts were burried. All this talk of Western conspiracies is getting really tiring and there are too many misconceptions floating around. Even if there is indeed a conspiracy, we Muslims are ultimately responsible. Let’s just face it.

    Salam!

  26. West African,

    You seem to have a shallow idea about who is doing what to whom. Both sides here have raped, burned out villages, killed civilians.

    Why do you think the government got involved in the first place? Because the people seen as victims today were the people killing, looting and doing the raping in the first place.

    All that has happened here is the original aggressor has had the tables turned on them. It doesnt make it right, but it is the truth. Like I said before, this is like the mugger getting mad because the police and the victim beat him up.

    As Muslims we should do something about the killing, but we should not ignore who started the conflict even if they are the same people who are getting the bad end of the stick now.

    What would you have proposed to do to stop the original violence started by the people who are now seen as the victims? You see the government came in to stop their looting, their murdering, their torching of villages.

    If elements from “the Muslim world” got involved at this point I bet people would have pointed and said “see, the Muslims are attacking the black Africans”. I dont think there was a way to win this honestly.

    If others came and put down the original violence, those screaming because they didnt do it would have screamed because they did do it.

    We should also not ignore the alterior motives of those claiming to want to help those in Darfour. I think it is legitimate to ask why they are not really interested in the one million or so Africans killed by the Christian “Lords Resistance Army” in Uganda. I think it is legitimate to ask why they didnt do anything to stop more than one million Rwandans dying, or why they ignore more than 2 million dead in Congo.

    Can you give us a decent reason why 200,000 dead Sudanese inspires so much work from these people, when the 5,000,000 dead in several other nearby countries didnt? Dont you think that is a valid question?

    As to partitioning Darfour, I cannot think of a more stupid idea. BOTH sides are from Darfour! You want to partition Darfour as well? Into how many Bantustan type tribal states would you make Darfour into?

    The apartheid regime in South Africa tried this as well, interesting that you are advocating it. Anyway, both sides fighting are from Darfour, do you think they just imported their goats and huts from Khartoum?

    This shows us one of the main issues with this “Darfour” groupies, they are just plain ignorant about the facts and the history involved.

    The whole issue started when the so-called “black Africans”(misnomer as both sides are black Africans) started raping, looting and burning other tribes. As we speak some of these rebel “black african” groups have signed peace deals with Khartoum and now those who have not signed up are now killing their fellow “black Africans” because they want a better deal, including more land, water and money.

    That is what this is all about, one group starting a fight, getting beat up, then demanding more and more as pressure from the outside rises.

    How about if I rape and assault someone, get beat up by the woman and the police, and then try to get Hollywood to try and come to my defense to get me money, land and more rights? That is exactly what is happening here.

  27. to my Black African “brother” in Philly:

    I say, shove the TV set you watch your Zionist news on..up YOURS!!! If you were really Muslim, you wouldn’t support further divisions of any part of the ummah, you bloody fool!!! There are no light skinned Sudanese Arabs but a very few, the result of intermarriage only with non-Sudanese Arabs or even European covnerts!!!! This can be the case with even Christian Coptic “Arabs” in the north of Sudan (the Arab north).

    You are talking like that Rabbi who once wrote in a local newspaper about the problem of Darfur!!! A Rabbi writing on Darfur????? Give me a break!!!! Rabbis who call Arabs snakes and express resentment for their ever growning numbers, Rabbis care about you, Blacks??? Is that what you want to tell me??? They’re the ones who have been rallying support for a military intervention in Sudan, along with the imposters in the White House (who pretend like they care about the Blacks in Africa more than the half-Black, or Arabized Blacks of Sudan do!!! Haha, what a silly joke!!! The Anglo-Saxons who murdered tens of millions of Africans during the slave trade -a number that can’t be matched by any other people on earth, including Muslims who practised slavery!!!!!- the Anglo-Saxons are your God-sent now??????? :) Why don’t you, bloody fool, pluck the English tongue of yours and change your lastname which you probably carry after your ancestor’s White master??? Yeah, do that first, you bloody fool, and tell the Black Americans to do that first, then come and worry about distant Blacks in Darfur!!!!!!

    The Americans who pretend like they care about 2 millions in Darfur becoming refugees, they made 4 million refugees out of Iraqis in almost the same time since whatever is going in Darfur began!!!!! TWICE the number!!!!! American vampires are behind the car bombs in Iraq, INCLUDING the two that ripped through the Iraqis who celebrated qualifying to the Asian Cup final game!!!!!! They were behind bombing the Shia shrine in Samarra, and they helped and watched the unleashing fo the Shia rabid dogs all over Iraq…to help their envisioned plan of a Shia seperate state, Sunni entity, and Kurdish one, they allowed the Shia all they do with our mosques in BAghdad and Basra. The Americans and the Shia (who claim to be superior to Sunnis) killed almost one million Sunnis in 3 years, and made another 4 million refugees, either inside Iraq or outside the cities they once lived in!!!!!

    Why don’t you talk about the persecuted Iraqi Sunnis???? Are you really Muslim? Religious at least??? Or are you only excited about Darfur because you yourself are also racist in the heart???? Even your fellow, Tariq Nelson, talked about you Blacks liking divisions (you helped fuel the division between pro-Saudi Salafis and anti-Saudi Salafis in the West). It’s probably in your blood to be a gang fighter with a pistol, and not one with a soft heart and a clear mind so as not to fall for FAUX news.

    So SHUT THE HELL UP. America controls the Arab media, more and more Aljazeera is under pressure! Aljazeera doesn’t show anymore clips of the Iraqi operations against the Americans, and it’s been defaming them, including those fighting in the Lebanese refugee camp, spreading that they are throwing Kateyucha missiles on Lebanese nearby villages!!! HORSE CRAP!!!!! JUST LIKE YOUR BRAIN!!!!

  28. The rebels took arms because their communities were marginalized by the Khartoum Governement. The khartoum govt had their eyes set in the natural resources of Darfour that they were going to exploit to benefit their “arab” communities and leave the Fur people improvished.
    And by the way, when the rebels took arms, they fought against the sudanese army and had a lot of initial successes.
    The Darfour governement in turn armed the “arab” tribes who unleashed an unprecedented and indiscriminate killing of the “black” Fur people (includent a lot of the innocent village people who did not take part in the conflict), killing the men and rapping the women, and burning their villages to intimidate them to leave the Darfour region.

    By the way, Abu Sinan, when you said both sides are “black africans”, try to call a so-called “arab” sudanese “black” and see if he does not punch you in the face.

  29. Hussam Hariri said: “I say, shove the TV set you watch your Zionist news on..up YOURS!!! ”

    Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I am well aware that the media is controlled by Zionists in the US. It’s not only the media but both chambers of Congress are also controlled by Zionist lobbies.
    I don’t believe everything that is said in the media but I also don’t discard everything that is said there as propaganda.
    For your information, I get my news from alternative news sites like http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ or http://www.alternet.org/ or more liberal british papers like http://www.guardian.co.uk or the http://www.independent.co.uk
    I am also well aware the jews are jumping on the issue of Darfour because of their hatred of muslims and arabs.
    Anyway, that’s besides the point.

    Hussam Hariri said: “Why don’t you, bloody fool, pluck the English tongue of yours and change your lastname which you probably carry after your ancestor’s White master???”

    For your information, I am 100% african, born and bred in Africa. I love my religion, Islam, and I also love my african roots. I have travelled extensively in Africa and know more about the people of Africa than you possibly can. English is not my native language and my last name is African. My ancestor did not have a White Master either. Thank you.

    Hussam Hariri said: “It’s probably in your blood to be a gang fighter with a pistol, and not one with a soft heart and a clear mind so as not to fall for FAUX news.”

    That’s a very racist statement to make. Not all black americans are involved in gang activity. But I guess it is in your arab blood also to be a racist.

    Hussam Hariri said: “The Americans who pretend like they care about 2 millions in Darfur becoming refugees, they made 4 million refugees out of Iraqis in almost the same time since whatever is going in Darfur began!!!!! TWICE the number!!!!!”

    What does the issue of Darfour has to do with Americans or what America is doing in Iraq??? You seem to only care about what is happening in the Middle East/when arabs are dying to even have some sympathy for the plight of the people in Darfur who happen to be muslim but also black. I guess we are only supposed to feel saddened and shed tears when arabs are dying.

    I don’t expect you to feel any sympathy for the people in Darfur. All you care about is your own people. Well guess what??? I also care about mine.

  30. Hussam Hariri said: “I say, shove the TV set you watch your Zionist news on..up YOURS!!! ”

    Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I am well aware that the media is controlled by Zionists in the US. It’s not only the media but both chambers of Congress are also controlled by Zionist lobbies.
    I don’t believe everything that is said in the media but I also don’t discard everything that is said there as propaganda.
    For your information, I get my news from alternative news sites like informationclearinghouse.info or alternet.org or more liberal british papers like guardian.co.uk or independent.co.uk
    I am also well aware the jews are jumping on the issue of Darfour because of their hatred of muslims and arabs.
    Anyway, that’s besides the point.

    Hussam Hariri said: “Why don’t you, bloody fool, pluck the English tongue of yours and change your lastname which you probably carry after your ancestor’s White master???”

    For your information, I am 100% african, born and bred in Africa. I love my religion, Islam, and I also love my african roots. I have travelled extensively in Africa and know more about the people of Africa than you possibly can. English is not my native language and my last name is African. My ancestor did not have a White Master either. Thank you.

    Hussam Hariri said: “It’s probably in your blood to be a gang fighter with a pistol, and not one with a soft heart and a clear mind so as not to fall for FAUX news.”

    That’s a very racist statement to make. Not all black americans are involved in gang activity. But I guess it is in your arab blood also to be a racist.

    Hussam Hariri said: “The Americans who pretend like they care about 2 millions in Darfur becoming refugees, they made 4 million refugees out of Iraqis in almost the same time since whatever is going in Darfur began!!!!! TWICE the number!!!!!”

    What does the issue of Darfour has to do with Americans or what America is doing in Iraq??? You seem to only care about what is happening in the Middle East/when arabs are dying to even have some sympathy for the plight of the people in Darfur who happen to be muslim but also black. I guess we are only supposed to feel saddened and shed tears when arabs are dying.

    I don’t expect you to feel any sympathy for the people in Darfur. All you care about is your own people. Well guess what??? I also care about mine.

  31. If I may add…

    Hussam Hariri said: “Why don’t you talk about the persecuted Iraqi Sunnis???? Are you really Muslim? Religious at least??? Or are you only excited about Darfur because you yourself are also racist in the heart????”

    I don’t talk about persecuted Iraqi Sunnis because this is NOT the topic of this blog post. But I guess if I don’t talk constantly about the persecution of the poor arabs, then that does not make me a Muslim????
    If religious means to you having to shed crocodile tears only when arabs are dying or always supporting arabs regardless of the issue, then you can say I am not religious.
    In my understanding, religious means try to do your best to follow the Quran and the Sunnah of our Beloved Prophet (S.A.W.) and al hamdolillah, I am trying.

  32. I don’t know alot of the details of the Darfur issue, and I don’t think any of us can be expected to know all the details of every political issue and do things like work, raise a family, etc. I used to try to do these things, but I don’t anymore.

    Instead, I rely upon what I know from the past, and that is that the United States only gets behind an intervention if it is a) largely symbolic (especially in the case of a UN peacekeeping force) or 2) going to be used to protect US big money interests.

    Umar said:
    “If the Congo would have been a Muslim nation with oil and a leader with strong deen would the same thing have happened?”

    Congo does have a lot of mineral resources and the U.S. did have dogs in that fight. I can’t remember what issue, but it was in Covert Action Quarterly.

  33. Question,
    If Hollywood starts a campaign to help the poor and give health care to the sick. As Muslims would be oppose that, because celebrities are involved.

    If Hollywood start a campaign to get the troops out of Iraq, as Muslims would we oppose that.

    If Muslims kill other Muslims, and no one does anything, do we co-sign that by doing and saying nothing. ?

    The ANSWER is if they are wrong we don’t support them but when they right we should support them. If our brothers are wrong, we support them by Enjoining the Good and Forbidding the Evil.

    Or is it only a great wrong when the Kuffar kill Muslims and we feel more comfortable when Muslims kill Muslims ? Which is worse ?

    Don’t get it twisted I’m probably a card –carrying member of the I HATE THE WEST COALITION TOO.

    When the Muslims forces gather to implement Justice in the world, I’m signing up, but in absence of that, I take Justice where I can find it.

    Also, UN Peacekeepers are not sanctioned to fight or engage one side or the other, merely to keep the peace, like a security guard with a flashlight. Yea, its joke but I’m desperate, if it could prevent Muslim blood from being spilled.

    Brother lets be balance.

  34. Trust me, if I were racist I would show it, but it’s un-Islamic and stupid. The skin color is from Allah, and to discriminate based on how or from what Allah created us was first the act of Shaytan himself when he refused to prostrate to your father and mine, Adam (peace be upon him), and answered Allah saying: {you created me from fire, and created him from clay}, so the accursed Shaytan thought he was better because of what he was made of. Racism is Satanic, and as a Muslim who knows for sure he knows Islam more than you, I can’t be racist. Half my family is dark skinned, as dark as Omar al-Bashir himself. If that’s what you call light-skinned Arabs compared to Blacks like John Garang, then you haven’t seen many Sudanese Arabs yourself, idiot.

    There is discrimination (racism) between Arabs themselves, but that in no way meant that those discriminated against should wish ill for the discriminators like sending Jews or Americans to take over their land. In the Gulf Arab states, in some of them, like Kuwait, if you are non-Kuwaiti and you go to certain hospitals ‘by mistake’ while bleeding, they’d turn you away saying they only treat citizens (Kuwaiti nationals). I have family over there who were exposed to that treatment. Does that mean I should wish that Iran take over Kuwait like you wish America take over Darfur, you idiot???

    If ANYBODY takes over Darfur, I swear by Allah it will be another Jihad front. Omar al-Bashir may be an idiot for not running the country fair enough, but you cannot deny that in his office sit also the most notorious Christian Blacks of the soon-independent southern Sudan, that if a Black without mixed Arab blood in him..chooses to live in Khartoum, he will NOT be subjected to discrimination, you liar!!!! I know Sudanese Arabs, and they are one of the nicest people ever!!!! Allah told you, O you who claim to be TRYING to follow Quran and Sunnah, not to believe the fasiqs who bring you news, so why do you believe the original kafirs now?????????

    There are stupid Arabs who refer to dark skinned Arabs as ‘slaves’. It once happened in front of me, a stupid Iraqi “friend” of mine was standing with me and a Sudanese friend of ours who was talking about the fight he had with his older brother (whom we never saw), then after few minutes our Sudanese friend tells us: ‘my brother just passed by, exiting the building’, and the Iraqi goes: “who? that abd (“slave”)?”, which enraged the Sudanese and he started cursing everybody, including us Shami Arabs, saying we (us, Shamis) feel proud that we have Crusader blood mixed in ours which made us ‘lighter’ than the average Arabs or don’t have typical Arab looks!!! Then he proceeded to say: ‘but they don’t know that the Crusader soldiers were the ‘trash’ of Europe!”

    All this while it wasn’t me, the Shami, who said a thing. It was the Iraqi, who himself looked more Pakistnai than Arab.

    So insulted dark Arabs can have their ways to ‘coem back’ at the rude idiots like our Iraqi “friend”, and there was clear racism in the Sudanese guy’s words, no one can deny that!!

    Anyways, I’m not done with you. Wow, there are so many ignorants on this blog, and there’s only me, I don’t have time for you all!!! I’ve never seen such ignorance in one place online except when there was a serious lack of Islamic knowledge!! With only English, you can’t fare well in the realm of knowledg, be it religious or non-religious. Lazy Americans, learn more languages. You are the joke of the world for your shallow knowledge and dependence on your stinking school curricula and silly TV newscasts!!! Knowledge is power, and in today’s world if you don’t know Arabic, you are bound to be a prey to the Zionist media, and/or a parasite waiting for what we translate for you, only to do what with it then? Nothing, most likely.

  35. May Allah bestow His Mercy and Blessings upon those who seek Truth and Guidance.

    Brothers and Sisters of Islam,

    We must Enjoin Good and Forbid Evil as Brother Hakim as said. Believe in Allah and do righteous deeds.
    That should not be lost in a struggle of natural resources. And should over come any racist or nationalistic feeling. As an Ummah, we have a long way to go. And May Allah bless our hearts to be true and may He bless us and have us act according to what pleases Him. That’s what matters.
    Being an Arab shouldn’t outshine being a muslim
    Being a non Arab shouldn’t outshine being a muslim.
    Allah said in The Holy Qu’ran translated in English (I’m paraphrasing) that He has made us Brothers when we were once enemies.

    How can we allow ourselves to return to Jahilliya?
    Sister Drima, you have my heart felt sympathies upon what is occurring in your land and may Allah bless your heart and may you’re work to better the people Please Allah.
    And all of us are talking about the west and all of that, and the sister has pointed out China is a silent figure, they’re getting oil from Sudan and it’s a fact that the Chinese goverment hunts and executes muslims in China. Ask the brothers who fled execution in China and ended up in Afghanistan where the U.S detained them and brought them to Cuba – This story was in the New York Times, reliable source? Allah Knows Best.
    But it holds the testimony of one who has taken his Shahadah.
    Now onto that, who are we to question another muslim’s faith or validity as regards to religion if he say Ashadu anla Ilaha Illa Allah, Ashadu anna Muhammadan Rasul Allah?

    As Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said to a man whom killed a disbeliever after he took his Shahadah, Did you cut open his heart and see his faith? (May Allah forgive me if I paraphrase this wrong and Allahu Allum)
    As stagfir Allah.
    Brothers all of us will be judged upon the deeds we do. Be careful I implore you and also myself. Allah is watching.

    And we must remind ourselves and all of our Ummah of that undeniable fact as well.
    Allah is watching!!!
    And we will not escape death and will meet Allah on the Day of Judgement!!!
    REMEMBER, PLEASE.

    Kafirun can be Kafirun but we are muslim, don’t act as the Kafirun act when we know the way. Our way is the middle way.

    On the topic of Darfur, ukhti Drima, please inform us of the Organization that is truly helping the people of Sudan, so that if funds are spent in the Cause of Allah, they are not dwindled by the mischevious and greedy inshaAllah.

    May Allah Bestow His Blessings and Mercy upon those who seek Truth and Guidance.

    AsSalaamu Alaikum

  36. AsSalaamu Alaikum Brother Hussam,

    I understand that you are very passionate, but you insult many people on this site. Allah knows best our levels of intelligence and our levels of ignorance. Please brother, would you calm down and take some leave from insulting your brothers and sisters. As you have said no names, It remains a mystery to whom you actually speak, but as you have said no names, you may have as well called all us idiots and derogatory names. You’re points are taken and they are valid for they are your opinion and Allah knows the Entire TRUTH. For Allah is the TRUTH. So please brother, please desist from the name calling, for as this is the internet, you know not whom you truly speak to, or insult, but Allah does know.

    With Respect and Love,

    AsSalaamu Alaikum

  37. Brother, I have been on this blog before I ever saw your name!! There is quite a number of ‘regulars’ here whom I clashed with before on different ocassions, they know themselves, they know I’m addressing the ignoramuses in them!!!

    Then there are the few pious with soft hearts and real concern for every part of this ummah!!! There are many anti-immigrants, anti-Arabs and racists on this blog, so many for converts!!! I’ve never seen such a large gathering of impious, ignorant converts in my entire life!!!! This blog has turned into a garbage bin that attracts only the flies they are to eat from the trash, to eat away at the flesh of fellow Muslims who are absent from this blog and can’t defend themselves.

    There are idiots who post their wives’ pictures on the web, then go around and accuse the ‘Islamists’ of seeking a state system where one’s 7-year-old daughter would be forced to wear hijab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t know who’s in the cave exactly, Bin Ladin or Abu Sinan!!!!!!!!! If even the fugitive Jihadists of Iraq know the “lame duck”, I can’t forgive a specimen like Abu Sinan (who pretneds like he knows everything, including Arabic, is married to an Arab, YET he would spread such a gross lie about the people of Allah like that -along with other ones, him and many idiots on this blog and Tariq Nelson’s!!!!)

    I will not show respect to ignorants of any color or deen or sect or subgroup, they are all the same!!!! They talk like they’re authorities on the subjects, when they seem to me only more misguided than donkeys in the dusty roads of Gaza and Iraq!!!!

    Abdul-Tawwab, before defending these faajers (esp. some women here who make da’wah while drooling over guys in parks, like they admitted), go and search comments in this blog (it will take you sometime!) and learn who we’re up and against her defending part of our ummah these people attack ceaselessly and shamelessly!!!!

  38. AsSalaamu Alaikum Brother Hussam,

    Your point is well taken brother. InshaAllah brother we can strengthen and help increase the knowledge of the muslims and even non-muslims on this blog in hopes that they might becomes stronger in deen or embrace Islam inshaAllah. Allah is the Disposer of All Affairs. And May Allah guide us on the right path inshaAllah.

    AsSalaamu Alaikum

  39. Hussam,

    You profess your knowledge, so I have a question

    If no UN PEACE TROOPS, what are the alternatives, other than paying lip service and doing nothing at all (I’m speaking of the Ummah) ? Please try to answer the question without mentioning the “West” or “Zionist”, they are irrelevant!

    Umar feel free to give an answer as well.

  40. West African said “The rebels took arms because their communities were marginalized by the Khartoum Governement.”

    Oh, so it is okay for the rebels to rape, murder, plunder and burn villages because they feel “marginalized” but it is wrong for the Sudanese government to stop them?

    It is wrong for the villagers whom they raped, murdered and burned to do the same things to them? I think it is wrong, but if you rape someone dont be surprised by their vengence.

    I know what is happening is wrong, but did the families of these “rebels” object when their brothers, fathers, husbands and uncles were raping and murdering members of the other tribes?

    Sorry, but the original murderers, rapers and burners of villages are now getting what they FIRST gave out. It might be wrong, but there is a certain amount of poetic justice in it.

    How can you rape, murder and burn villages, then complain when it is done to you?

    BTW, I feel “marginalized” does that give me a right to commit crimes such as rape? Does “marginalization” justify the crimes of rapists and murderers in prison in the USA? I can guarantee you many of them will tell you they feel “marginalized” as well.

    I am a white convert to Islam, and I certainly feel used and then “marginalized” in the Muslim community in the USA, can that be used to justify some crimes within the American Muslim community? I am tired of being the token white covert, I guess maybe some raping and looting is in order?

  41. BTW,

    If the “rebels” felt marginalized by the government in Khartoum, why did they decide to kick the whole thing off by raping, murdering and destroying the villages of other people in Darfour?

    Why not rape and murder the families of government officials? Why attack other people, just as poor as yourself, and steal their goats, burn their villages, and rape their women?

    I’ll tell you why, because they thought they could get some booty (in both terms of the word) and get away with it. They thought wrong and now their people are paying the price.

  42. Abu Sinan said: “If the “rebels” felt marginalized by the government in Khartoum, why did they decide to kick the whole thing off by raping, murdering and destroying the villages of other people in Darfour? ”

    No, they did NOT rape and murder other villagers.
    They fought the regular sudanese army and won a lot of battles at the beginning.
    So, the sudanese government decided to arm these janjaweed “arab” militias because it needed help to fight off the rebels and it is these janjaweed militias that decided to indiscriminately kill, rape and destroy villages.
    It is THE “arab” militias who DID the indiscriminate killing and raping of other “african” villagers. Part of that is due to the racism and the belief of superiority that the “arab” militias feel against their “black” counterpart.

    Hussam Hariri said: “I say ‘negro’ as a race, what else would I call the ‘African race’ with its distinct features?”

    Well, you could call the ‘African race’ … “african”. That would be a good start.
    What else would you call the ‘Arab race” with their distinctively crooked noses?
    There is no other way to sugarcoat it, Hussam Hariri, you are a racist and an arab supremacist and it shows in your posts.
    You can take that arabization that your sudanese “arab” brothers want to spread to muslim african tribes and shove it you know where.

  43. AsSalaamu Alaikum

    You we should do,and Allah knows best.
    Stop stirring up what we think we know about Darfur and Sudan and go see it for ourselves, go witness this tragedy amongst muslims. Create a sponsorship program for the innocents being killed no matter which side and seek to resolve the matter Islamically. The only question would be then, if can collectively help the people with some sort of refuge, then how can we benefit the government in place? What can we offer that the U.S or China cant? Now if you bloggers aren’t just teenagers or unemployed nay sayers who sit at your computers all day waiting for responses maybe something like that can be raised up or maybe something is already in place, maybe we should searching for solutions.

    Frankly I don’t care whom you people are or claim to be, the truth of the matter is, there are muslims killing muslims in Sudan and the Muslim world it seems to has given a blind eye to it except now when the U.S or the big bad west wants to get involved. Do some good for the people, even if it ‘s just making Duah. But all of us should stop running around this silly point of who’s who and what’s what when only one person on this blog has professed of being in Sudan and only handfew has talked about an Islamic solution to the problem.

    May Allah bestow His Blessings and Mercy Upon those who seek Guidance and Truth.

    AsSalaamu Alaikum

  44. West African,

    You need to get more informed brother. The regular Sudanese Army got into the fray AFTER the fact.

    The violence started when the current “victims” attacked the current “aggressors”. The violence of the current “victims” was such that the Sudanese Army was called in to stop the raping and murdering of the current “victims”.

    The Sudanese Army worked with the men of the villages from the tribes that had been attacked by the current “victims”. With the help of the Sudanese Army the original victims did a lot of damage to the original aggressors, then the roles were switched. The original victims became the aggressors and the original aggressors become the victims.

    West African writes “janjaweed”.

    You might not be aware of it, but the term “janjuweed” in local dialect is actually a racial insult. Are you into using racial insults to describe whole tribes and groups of people? Calling the original victims of the violence “janjaweed” would be like calling the current victims “abid”. Is that something you would go for? Or is it okay to use racial insults when talking about a political situation?

    If you are not aware that the word is, in itself, a racial insult, I guess I can excuse your use of the word. If you were aware that the term is a racial insult and still use it I guess that means you have no problem with racism or racial insults.

    West African posts “What else would you call the ‘Arab race” with their distinctively crooked noses?”

    Never mind what I said earlier about your use of racist terms. It would seem you have no problem with racial stereotyping. That is a MAJOR sin bro, my naseeha to you is to stop the racism.

    You call Hussam a racist, but you use racist terms to do it! Get a clue!

  45. Abu Sinan,

    I respect you brother, but you got the wrong information about how the crisis in Darfur started.
    I bet you got your information from the sudanese govt disinformation and sping machine (which has been actively trying to prevent outside observers for witnessing the events on the ground) or the sudanese “arabs”.

    Here is a little background about the conflict in Darfur and how it started:
    ——————————-
    History of the conflict, 2003-2007
    The starting point of the conflict in the Darfur region is typically said to be 26 February 2003, when a group calling itself the Darfur Liberation Front (DLF) publicly claimed credit for an attack on Golo, the headquarters of Jebel Marra District. Even prior to this attack, however, a conflict had erupted in Darfur, as rebels had already attacked police stations, army outposts and military convoys, and the government had engaged in a massive air and land assault on the rebel stronghold in the Marrah Mountains. The rebels’ first military action was a successful attack on an army garrison on the mountain on 25 February 2002 and the Sudanese government had been aware of a unified rebel movement since an attack on the Golo police station in June 2002. Chroniclers Julie Flint and Alex de Waal state that the beginning of the rebellion is better dated to 21 July 2001, when a group of Zaghawa and Fur met in Abu Gamra and swore oaths on the Qur’an to work together to defend against government-sponsored attacks on their villages.[26] It should be noted that nearly all of the residents of Darfur are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed and the government leaders in Khartoum.[27]

    On 25 March, the rebels seized the garrison town of Tine along the Chadian border, seizing large quantities of supplies and arms. Despite a threat by President Omar al-Bashir to “unleash” the army, the military had little in reserve. The army was already deployed both to the south, where the Second Sudanese Civil War was drawing to an end, and the east, where rebels sponsored by Eritrea were threatening the newly constructed pipeline from the central oilfields to Port Sudan. The rebel tactic of hit-and-run raids using Toyota Land Cruisers to speed across the semi-desert region proved almost impossible for the army, untrained in desert operations, to counter. However, its aerial bombardment of rebel positions on the mountain was devastating.

    Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
    ——————————————————-

    As you can see, the rebels initiated their attacks against the Sudanese central authority ( attacking army garnisons, police stations, etc…)
    They were initially successful at routing the govt forces.
    The Sudanese govt reacted by arming local “arab” tribes which started the mass killing, rape and intimidation.

    By the way, my comment earlier to Hussam Hariri was meant to turn the table on him and show how racist his statements can be.
    I am by no means a racist. I live in a small surbuban town outside of Philadelphia, where the only muslims that I know are arabs. My roomate is arab. ALL my friends here are Arabs.

  46. History of the conflict, 2003-2007

    The starting point of the conflict in the Darfur region is typically said to be 26 February 2003, when a group calling itself the Darfur Liberation Front (DLF) publicly claimed credit for an attack on Golo, the headquarters of Jebel Marra District. Even prior to this attack, however, a conflict had erupted in Darfur, as rebels had already attacked police stations, army outposts and military convoys, and the government had engaged in a massive air and land assault on the rebel stronghold in the Marrah Mountains. The rebels’ first military action was a successful attack on an army garrison on the mountain on 25 February 2002 and the Sudanese government had been aware of a unified rebel movement since an attack on the Golo police station in June 2002. Chroniclers Julie Flint and Alex de Waal state that the beginning of the rebellion is better dated to 21 July 2001, when a group of Zaghawa and Fur met in Abu Gamra and swore oaths on the Qur’an to work together to defend against government-sponsored attacks on their villages.[26] It should be noted that nearly all of the residents of Darfur are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed and the government leaders in Khartoum.[27]

    On 25 March, the rebels seized the garrison town of Tine along the Chadian border, seizing large quantities of supplies and arms. Despite a threat by President Omar al-Bashir to “unleash” the army, the military had little in reserve. The army was already deployed both to the south, where the Second Sudanese Civil War was drawing to an end, and the east, where rebels sponsored by Eritrea were threatening the newly constructed pipeline from the central oilfields to Port Sudan. The rebel tactic of hit-and-run raids using Toyota Land Cruisers to speed across the semi-desert region proved almost impossible for the army, untrained in desert operations, to counter. However, its aerial bombardment of rebel positions on the mountain was devastating.[28]

    At 5:30 am on 25 April 2003, a joint Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and JEM force in 33 Land Cruisers entered al-Fashir and attacked the sleeping garrison. In the next four hours, four Antonov bombers and helicopter gunships, according to the government, (seven according to the rebels) were destroyed on the ground, 75 soldiers, pilots and technicians were killed and 32 were captured, including the commander of the air base, a Major General. The success of the raid was unprecedented in Sudan; in the 20 years of the war in the south, the rebel Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) had never carried out such an operation.[29]

    Unleashing the Janjaweed (2003)

    The al-Fashir raid was a turning point both militarily and psychologically. The armed forces had been humiliated by the al-Fashir raid and the government was faced with a difficult strategic situation. The armed forces would clearly need to be retrained and redeployed to fight this new kind of war and there were well-founded concerns about the loyalty of the many Darfurian non-commissioned officers and soldiers in the army. Responsibility for prosecuting the war was given to Sudanese Military Intelligence. Nevertheless, in the middle months of 2003, the rebels won 34 of 38 engagements. In May, the SLA destroyed a battalion at Kutum, killing 500 and taking 300 prisoners and in mid-July, 250 were killed in a second attack on Tine. The SLA began to infiltrate farther east, threatening to extend the war into Kordofan.

    However, at this point the government changed its strategy. Given that the army was being consistently defeated, the war effort depended on three elements: Military Intelligence, the air force, and the Janjaweed, armed Baggara herders whom the government had begun directing in repression of a Masalit uprising in 1996-1999. The Janjaweed were put at the center of the new counter-insurgency strategy. Military resources were poured into Darfur and the Janjaweed were outfitted as a paramilitary force, complete with communication equipment and some artillery. The probable results of such a strategy were clear to the military planners; similar strategies undertaken in the Nuba Mountains and around the southern oil fields during the previous decade had resulted in massive human rights violations and forced displacements.[30]

    The better-armed Janjaweed quickly gained the upper hand. By the spring of 2004, several thousand people — mostly from the non-Arab population — had been killed and as many as a million more had been driven from their homes, causing a major humanitarian crisis in the region. The crisis took on an international dimension when over 100,000 refugees poured into neighbouring Chad, pursued by Janjaweed militiamen, who clashed with Chadian government forces along the border. More than 70 militiamen and 10 Chadian soldiers were killed in one gun battle in April. A United Nations observer team reported that non-Arab villages were singled out while Arab villages were left untouched.:

    Destroyed villages as of August 2004 (Source: DigitalGlobe, Inc. and Department of State via USAID)The 23 Fur villages in the Shattaya Administrative Unit have been completely depopulated, looted and burnt to the ground (the team observed several such sites driving through the area for two days). Meanwhile, dotted alongside these charred locations are unharmed, populated and functioning Arab settlements. In some locations, the distance between a destroyed Fur village and an Arab village is less than 500 meters.[31]

    In 2004, Chad brokered negotiations in N’Djamena, leading to the April 8 Humanitarian Ceasefire Agreement between the Sudanese government, JEM, and SLM. A group splintered from the JEM in April — the National Movement for Reform and Development — which did not participate in the April cease-fire talks or agreement. Janjaweed and rebel attacks have continued since the ceasefire. The African Union (AU) formed a Ceasefire Commission (CFC) to monitor observance of the putative ceasefire.

    The scale of the crisis led to warnings of an imminent disaster, with United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan warning that the risk of genocide is frighteningly real in Darfur. The scale of the Janjaweed campaign led to comparisons with the Rwandan Genocide, a parallel hotly denied by the Sudanese government. Independent observers noted that the tactics, which include dismemberment and killing of noncombatants and even young children and babies, are more akin to the ethnic cleansing used in the Yugoslav Wars but have warned that the region’s remoteness means that hundreds of thousands are effectively cut off from aid. The Brussels-based International Crisis Group reported in May 2004 that over 350,000 people could potentially die as a result of starvation and disease. [32]

    On 10 July 2005, Ex-SPLA leader John Garang was sworn in as Sudan’s vice-president.[33] However, on 30 July 2005, Garang died in a helicopter crash.[34] His death had long-term implications and, despite improved security, talks between the various rebels in the Darfur region went slowly.

    An attack on the Chadian town of Adre near the Sudanese border led to the deaths of three hundred rebels in December 2005. Sudan was blamed for the attack, which was the second in the region in three days. [35] The escalating tensions in the region led to the government of Chad declaring its hostility toward Sudan and calling for Chadian citizens to mobilise themselves against the “common enemy”. [36] (See Chad-Sudan conflict)

    Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict

  47. Using Wiki as a source eh? No, I got my information from several Sudanese people I know, including two who would be considered “black African” Sudanese.

    According to them your Wiki sources are wrong. But then again, I am sure the Wiki information comes straight from the Hollywood Darfour groupy types, so no doubt there.

    It is clear it is influenced by these types as they continue to use the “janjuweed” racial taunt/insult. No one in today’s world would accept someone talking about the “Nigger Rebels”, so why allow a racist taunt like Janjuweed?

    Sorry, but if you use racist words and taunts, you are a racist. I dont care how many Arabs you know.

  48. Of course, you are going to go with hearsay from your sudanese “sources” instead of relying with real facts that have been documented with dates and hard facts on the ground.
    Everything is just a big conspiracy, nothing that is said in this well-documented article ever happened and the victims and refugees are all paid actors and their horror stories are all lies.

    You can disregard the truth if u like and go with what you want to believe.

    I don’t care what you think about me. It’s totally irrelevant.

  49. Abu Sinan,

    I realised after reading some of your comments, that because you are married to an arab woman (which you constantly feel the need to remind us in your comments as if you had hit the jackpot), you are one of those who would defend the arabs no matter what, even when they engage in the large scale murder and rape of innocent people.
    Not only that, but you use the word “Nigger” (in a clear attempt to offend) in order to create some kind of equivalence with the word “janjaweed”.
    For your info, the word “janjaweed” is not a racist word and has no equivalence with the word “nigger” that you have used freely here.
    Here is the background of this word:
    —————————
    The Janjaweed (Arabic: جنجويد; variously transliterated Janjawid, Janjawed, Jingaweit, Jinjaweed, Janjawiid, Janjiwid, Janjaweit, etc.– thought to mean “a man with a gun on a horse” or “a man on a horse”) is a blanket term used to describe mostly armed gunmen in Darfur, western Sudan, and now eastern Chad [1].
    The name Janjaweed is often believed to mean something in a dialect of Western Sudan. [3] Generically meaning ‘hordes’ in colloquial Arab, there is no evidence for etymological connection between Janjaweed and ‘jinn’ (spirit), ‘jim’ (‘G’ as in G3 rifle), ‘jawad’ (horse) or ‘ganja,’ a Sanskrit vernacular for marijuana. The Janjaweed are the successor to an earlier Arab tribal militia, the Murahilin (literally “nomads”), which had existed for many years beforehand. [4]

    The term is instead a derivative of the Persian word, jang, “war”, and jangawee, “warrior.” The term was adopted by the Mahdists in Sudan along with the idea of the Mahdi—a lingering tradition of the old Rustamid Ibadi dynasty of Tunisia who hailed from a Persian background. The Ismaili Shia Fatimids dynasty, who conquered the Rustamids, inherited the term and carried it to Egypt, thence Sudan. The Mahdists showed a strong Shia ideological imprint, although they were Sunnis in their belief. The term Janjaweed is an Arabicized version of Jangawee–, which stood for “faith warriors” among the old Shia communities of North Africa in the medieval times.
    Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed
    ———————–

    But again, you are the perfect idiot, who speaks without knowledge of things which you do not know anything about, and relies of hearsay.

  50. @ African in Philly,

    If you’ve been around longer, you’d have seen Abu Sinan criticizing Arabs like the most hateful Jew would, so don’t be so sure. I have been only glancing at what you two were writing, to see if I’m being addressed, so until I’m back..that’s all for now.

    Don’t assume too much.

  51. West African,

    It is clear that you have little if no real world knowledge of what you are talking about. You repeatedly point to Wiki sources which are nonsense. I trust Wiki sources about as much as I trust writings on bathroom walls.

    It is clear that these are written by people who clearly favour the original rapists and mass murderers in the situation.

    I have no “dogs” in the fight so to speak. If you use your Wiki source you’ll know that anyone who speaks Arabic as a native speaker is consider an “Arab”. That is why you have so many non Arab states in the Arab League. It isnt about ethnicity, it is about linguistics.

    All of the peoples involved in the fight in Dafour are Arabs, in that they speak Arabic. Some tribes might claim an ethnic link with some Arab peoples from hundreds of years ago, but that link is rather dubious. It is like the black Indian guy who once told me he was “Aryan” because his ancestors from some 2,000 years ago had been raped by soldiers fighting with Alexander the Great.

    These claims are nothing more than a way of one tribe to try and claim some sort of higher ground. At the end of the day they all speak Arabic, they are all black and they all are fighting for the limited resources, water and grazing in the area for their animals.

    Heck, even NPR let this one split the other day when they were talking about this issue in a decidly pro-original aggressor piece. They stated western geologists think they have found a vast underground remnant of a former lake in Darfour and that if true it would go a long way to eliminating the original causes of the conflict. Hence, they admit fighting over natural resources between tribes is what kicked the whole thing off.

    Yes, I am married to an Arab. My wife is Saudi, so I fail to see how being married to a Saudi is going to mean I am going to pull for black African Arabic speakers in Sudan. I could care less.

    If I thought that the “Arab” tribal members were guilty I would be more than willing to state it. It is odd that Hussam thinks I hate Arabs, yet you think I love Arabs enough to support mass murder.

    The truth is that I call it how I see it, as an outside observer with no interest either way. I am not “black” hence I have no worry about how the black (Arabs) are being treated, other than as a normal human who despises violence. I am not Arab, so I have no worry about how the Arab (blacks) are being treated in the situation, again with the exception as to how a normal human is revolted at violence.

    As to the use of “januweed”, the word in and of itself, at it’s root is not racist. Not anymore than the root of the word “nigger” is racist. “Nigger” goes back to the Spanish word “negro”, simply meaning “black”. It is in the usage of the word that the racist history came to play.

    The word “janjuweed” is exactly the same. It is not racist on the basis on it’s literal, etymological background. It is racist in it’s current usage and history. It is most certainly a pejorative term and anyone who uses it is guilty of racism.

    Hussam now thinks I hate Arabs as only a hateful Jew could and West African thinks I love Arabs so that I would lie to protect mass murders.

    Interesting that two people can have completely opposite views from the same statements. Interesting as well that both are completely wrong.

  52. Abu Sinan, you know what you wrote a while back, and one cannot understand me without looking at what you wrote before. I never meant you hated Arabs as a race, but as a culture, and as you always said clearly you avoid them in general, along with all the Muslim community. You loathe Muslims, and Arabs, yet you marry from them and convert to their religion!!!

  53. Hussam,

    You need to read hadiths brother. Allah, through His Prophet makes it clear there will come a time where most Muslims are not worthy of the name.

    Do you deny this fact? Do you deny the words of the Prophet? If so, how do you call yourself a Muslim?

    I made it clear there are portions of Arabic culture I love and some I hate. Almost nothing in life is “black and white” even if you want to make it so.

    There are many things I hate about American culture that I love and much that I hate.

    I dont “loathe” Muslims, yet like the Prophet of Allah talked about, I think we have reached that point in time where the Muslim community is Muslim in name only. I dont “loathe” Arabs, but I find portions of Arabic culture to be contrary to Islam.

    So yes, I will continue to dislike things that are unIslamic whether they are American or Arab. I am not going to like unIslamic things just because they are Arab.

    As I am a Muslim who loves his deen, I will certain not wish to associate with a community of people who no longer are Muslim in anything but name.

    I suggest you read more hadith and realise that even the Prophet has said such things.

    I got my ideas from The Qur’an itself. God says:

    “My Lord, my people treat this Qur’an as something to be ignored…” (Surat al-Furqan: 30)”

    The Prophet said :

    “There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur’an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it.
    (Agreed upon)”

    In comparing Muslims in the last days with Jews who forgot their deen God says:

    “The metaphor of those who were charged with the Torah but then have not upheld it, is that of a donkey carrying books…” Surah Jumuah, verse 5

    The Prophet again said about such times:

    “There will come a time upon the Ummat when people will recite the Qur’an, but it will not go further than their throats, (into their hearts).
    (Bukhari)”

    Talking about the emptiness of the Muslim community in the last days the Prophet of God said:

    Allah’s Messenger (saas) spoke of something and said: “It will happen when knowledge will be no more. “ (Ziyad) said: “Allah’s Messenger, how will knowledge vanish despite the fact that we will be reciting the Qur’an and teaching its recitation to our children and our children will teach its recitation to their children up to the Day of Resurrection?” Thereupon he (the Prophet (saas) said: “Ziyad, do these Jews and Christians not recite the Torah and the Bible but not act according to what is contained in them?”
    (Ahmad, Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi)

    The Prophet, in a scathing indictment of the Muslim community in the last days says:

    “In the End Times of the community of the faithful, people, those who adorn the mosques but leave their own hearts in ruins, who fail to look after their religion as much as they do their clothes, who forsake their religious obligations for the sake of their activities in this world, will increase in number.”
    (Agreed upon)

    More from the Beloved of God:

    “There will come a time for my people when…
    the mosques will be full of people but they will be
    empty of right guidance.”(Agreed upon)

    The Prophet also said:

    “Let him who reads the Qur’an ask (his reward) from Allah. Because in the final times there will be many people who read the Qur’an and seek their reward from other people.”
    (Tirmidhi)

    Hussam, you need to do more reading. You condemn me for believing what is said in The Qur’an and Hadith. It is my belief we are entering the end days and the Muslim community, in it’s actions and ways, shows The Qur’an and the words of the Prophet to be true.

    Your issue then is not with me mate, it is with God and the Prophet. I write what I have read.

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