Ultranationalist fervor hits Europe

 

As I said before, White Nationalism is the issue at hand when it comes to much of this anti-Islamic hatred. This tide of white nationalism is steadily making its way into the American mainstream in a strong way. No one – outside of Muslims – is paying attention because these people are busy relentlessly playing the anti-Muslim card right now, but in fact they are nothing more than racist anti-black, anti-Latino, anti-non-white racists.

Meanwhile, white nationalism is growing and making strides in Europe while it is growing much more quietly here in the US

When France last elected a president, the far right’s Jean-Marie Le Pen shocked the world by muscling his way into the runoff against incumbent Jacques Chirac. The outcome seemed to underline rising fears of an ultranationalist resurgence across Europe. 
    Mr. Le Pen ended up soundly beaten in 2002 and is unlikely to repeat his first-round success in a presidential election on Sunday. But with polls giving him up to 16 percent of the vote, it’s clear his France-first slogans still resonate.
    The same issues preoccupying the French — jobs, immigration, integrating a large and restive Muslim minority — have catapulted many of Mr. Le Pen’s views into the mainstream, with leading candidates both left and right co-opting elements of his ideas.
    It’s a phenomenon seen across Europe: Deep anxieties over security and unemployment have fed a sharp shift to the right, forcing mainstream politicians to embrace policies that just a few years ago would have seemed the exclusive terrain of ultranationalist forces.

    In October, Austria’s two rightist parties won more than 15 percent of the vote — far short of the stunning 26.9 percent that firebrand Joerg Haider received in 1999 but enough to trouble the moderate majority.
    The anti-immigration Danish People’s Party, formed only 12 years ago, is the third-largest faction in Denmark’s parliament. Far-right parties also made electoral strides last year in Sweden and Belgium.
    In Germany, far-right parties remain a fringe movement, but hold seats on three regional legislatures in the formerly Communist east. Officials say crimes by far-right groups and attacks against foreigners rose 16 percent last year.
    

    The hard right does not appear to be drastically bleeding supporters as the center co-opts its agenda. On the contrary, many nationalist groups appear to be enjoying a resurgence.
    In France, 78-year-old Mr. Le Pen is gloating as front-runners Nicolas Sarkozy on the right and Segolene Royal on the left hoist two of his pet issues — immigration and national identity — to center stage.

    Mr. Le Pen’s National Front today claims 75,000 members, and spokesman Thibaut de la Tocnay says membership shot up by several thousand after the November 2005 riots in immigrant-heavy suburbs of Paris.

Not mentioned in this article is that these hard right parties are racist and (guess what) very very anti-Muslim. Seeing the connection yet?

Growing in America and largely ignored

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66 thoughts on “Ultranationalist fervor hits Europe

  1. White Nationalist have been etrexemely vocal for years…remember what happened in Howard County when blacks moved in and some where having homes built.

    Back in the day (late 80s/early 90s) if you went to the Hicksville train station and stood on the eastbound platform (trains towards Ronkonkoma and Huntington) you would see a huge swatiska with the words, “White Power” under the platform.

    I would not be surprised if it is still there. Similar things could be seen at the Smithtown (and points beyond) station

  2. These people are just pissed that they are gonna be outbred in less than 30 years. May all their children grow up and marry blacks, mexicans, asians and arabs…ameen.

  3. I live in one of those countries mentioned and I’m fully aware of the anti-Muslim/racism connection. It is known here even amongst non-Muslims. They know that when someone starts bashing Muslims, this person is probably some kind of racist.

  4. “These people are just pissed that they are gonna be outbred in less than 30 years. May all their children grow up and marry blacks, mexicans, asians and arabs…ameen.”

    Ameen, indeed. Well said.

  5. It seems kinda like when Thatcher made the BNP an NF largely obsolete by co-opting their agenda with less obvious racism. The movements of today are a leaner, smarter animal that is willing to work more obviously with “mainstream” groups. While the “Reagan Revolution” was going on, obvious far right affiliations were frowned on to some degree. The skinheads got smarter, started dressing less like street thugs and bogeymen and more like serious proponents of a philosophy. When we see nazis most of the time today, they’re not going to be as easy to spot or as stupidly virulent in their attacks. We’ll have to be twice as careful.

  6. As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,

    This “fervor” isn’t a mass phenomenon; there has always been far-right parties in Europe which latch onto older, pre-fascist, ultra-conservative traditions and have radically anti-immigrant positions. They are much larger than the actual neo-Nazis. The British National (Nazi) Party are a tiny party which specialises in trying to confuse people that they have somehow reformed themselves, despite being the same people they were when they were the National Front, exposed as a front for pro-Nazi tendencies, but are not doing a very good job of it, and despite having stopped their Jew-bashing and Holocaust denial, cannot convince even the Jewish Muslim-basher Melanie Phillips that they have changed at all. It’s no secret that many of their activists have criminal records, not just for race-hate offences.

    I believe that the real threat to Muslims in Europe lies in the mainstream, not the thug far-right (including the BNP). We routinely hear that politicians have to be tough on immigrants and minorities to discourage people from voting for the far right (this is otherwise called appeasement, the same attitude which attracts ridicule when it is applied to Muslim terrorists). The British press frequently runs stories complaining of Christmas being renamed or piggy banks being banned in order to please Muslims, some of which turn out to be fabricated (see here), but are repeated long after they have been debunked (for example, Melanie Phillips included a reference to them in her Muslim-bashing tract Londonistan). In Europe, there are the well-known discriminatory laws, and in France in particular it is not only the far-right but the intellectual left who were involved. I regard my Sun- and Daily Mail-reading fellow citizen as much more of a threat than the Nazis; the problem for them is that they are too thuggish to be “respectable” bigots.

  7. In America, the main elements of “White Power,” “American Nazis,” whatever you want to call it, are evident in prison “society” and gang “society.”

    The average law abiding American is simply not going to come into contact with this sub-group.

    In Europe… the problem – and the visibility – is far broader and as Yusuf Smith explained, older and more culturally engrained and “acceptable.”

    As I’ve stated time and again here at Umar’s blog, I just don’t see “anti-Muslim” feelings as being part of the American mainstream or even an influencial minor societal factor. In order to ensure that *my* reality remains closer to the truth than Umar’s worse fears of what is and what might be… we – America – need to strive to avoid the segregation and ghettofication of Muslims as has largely happened in Europe. We – America – need to embrace each first generation Muslim immigrant as the seed of second, third, and forth generation AMERICANS of Muslim faith.

    Muslims must be brought into the greater American “ideal” the way Jews have been. And… as with Jewish Americans… the road to group socialization into the American “WASP” culture will be bumpy… but if the Jews can do it Muslims can too.

    Of course… since our “Jewish population” comes mainly from European stock… the “gap” in cultural norms was easier to close. That said, I truly believe the vast majority of Americans want nothing more than to bring second/third/forth generation Muslims into the American fold – respecting their religious beliefs – where as the Europeans have a more “traditional” and frankly troubling “us vs. them” viewpoint that is frankly schizophrenic in terms of “progressive” image vs. traditional reality.

    BILL

  8. It is very disturbing to see the rise of national socialism once again. But I think there is a much more complex story to be tolled.

    While most white-racist parties are clearly anti-Muslim, many have forged alliances with Islamic groups due to common hatred of Zionists/Jews and promotion of Holocaust denial.

    France’s Le Pen is a good example. National Front’s support for Saddam and Arafat and rabid anti-Americanism has made them surprisingly popular in Paris’s suburbs.

    American based “Aryan Nation” also shares this marriage of convenience. They are quick to point out the friendship between Mufti Amin al-Husseini and Himmler and publicly thank groups like Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas for their efforts.

    And of course, there is the pressing issue of the rise in white skinheads converting to Islam, often in prison. It’s becoming a cliche. People who used to pick fights with Pakistani groups in Europe are now aligned with them.

    But the oddest alliance must be between the ultra-right Storm-front and ultra-left Counter-punch. It is disturbing how often they share articles and promote the same books. Britain’s far-left “Respect” falls under this category. Its very difficult to tell the difference between racism and “anti-racism”.

    In the interest of fairness, I must mention that the flip side also exist, and is a source of shame for Jews. The racist British National Party (their website clearly states only whites may join) has abandoned their Jew hatred for Muslim hatred and even has a Jewish candidate. (shandra!) And secular pro-Israeli Jews and white Evangelical Christians is an odd match. We realize that we don’t share many beliefs (gay marriage, liberal sexual attitudes, etc..) but we desperately need friends. And if the only condition is that we convert on Judgement Day, we can handle that.

    On any side, hatred makes for strange bedfellows.

  9. Oh yeah, beat the old broken record of the Palestinian mufti and his mythical connection to the nazis. Typical jordan as usual. Anybody with half a brain cell knows that white nationalists and zionist jewry both work of the same premise of exclusivity. Contrary to what some may think, most lgf’ers are rabid zionists rather then white nationalists. By “promoting Israel, and Zionism” and “presenting Israel’s side of the conflict,” LGF won the “Best Israel Advocacy Blog” award from the Jerusalem Post in 2005.
    To claim that theres an alliance between stromfront works and counter punch takes the cake though. Oh but I forget this comes from the same judeofascist liar who claimed that Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the medical journal Lancet were working with Hamas and Hezbollah. Upon request for citations, the cowardly gutter snipe was no where to be found.
    Typical of the breed.

  10. >>May all their children grow up and marry blacks, mexicans, asians and arabs…ameen.

    I second that big time! The more white males we have to take care of the immigrant sisters the way they need, the faster we can breed out the foreigness and holier-than-thou attitudes… hey, just thought you’d like a little reversal of your semi-racist retort to supremacist goons…with your own sort of supremacism.

  11. (sniff) (sniff)

    I smell garlic.

    Yo, Omar. You met your paison yet? His name’s Bill and he shares your distate (except for their women, naturally) for dem immigants.

    Maybe one night you guys can grab a baseball bat and go cruisin’ in your IROC.

  12. Dr M: “Oh but I forget this comes from the same judeofascist liar who claimed that Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the medical journal Lancet were working with Hamas and Hezbollah.”

    Did he really say that? Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.

    Call it a weird coincidence, but after reading Jordan’s post, I read this post on the Antiwar.com blog and just laughed out loud.

    Some people just have a gift for fabricating fantastic, alarmist, self-serving, narratives out of whole cloth.

    “Oy gevalt! Skinheads are converting to Islam en masse, Aryan Nations has merged with Hamas, and George Galloway has a big swastika tattoed on his back!!! Surely Kristallnacht Pt. II is mere days away!!!!”

    LMAO! Unintentional humor is always the best kind.

  13. Oh it shouldn’t surprise anyone, Dariush.
    Jordan is nothing but a male version of the disgusting Debbie Schlussel. Only a true zealot for zion would lump in the Lancet medical journal, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Hamas, Hezbollah, the anti-war movement and pretty much anybody who isn’t a frothy mouthed zionist living 3000 years in the past as one homogenous group. Read it here :

    http://umarlee.com/2006/10/14/cheers-to-ben-affleck/

    And don’t be so hard on Gomer, I mean OmarG….its tough enough being an apologist for his cowardly buddies who gangrape 14 year old girls, let alone “liberating” the black and brown masses of the world, especially their woman.

  14. DrM: “Contrary to what some may think, most lgf’ers are rabid zionists rather then white nationalists.”

    Extreme Zionism is more respectable than white racism in today’s Western world. Could the LGFers be white nationalists pretending to be rabid Zionists? It’s been done before…

  15. DrM

    Congratulations. It would appear you are unable to address the actual issue at hand. But that’s ok, Jordan supports 14 year olds getting gang raped, right?

    White nationalism and Islamic extremism aren’t so different in terms of ideology. I don’t see a marriage between the two, but I do find the support for fundamentalist militias in the west as troubling, because of their anti-democratic and religiously intolerant nature.

    But let’s not address that. After all, it might be a little difficult for you. Much easier to accuse random people online of supporting rape, right?

    /your hate is showing
    //you could try to be classier
    ///don’t take advice from me though, i’m a frothy mouthed 14 year old raping zionazi piece of scum

  16. DrM

    Sorry, just had to add… mythical connection? Really?

    A cursory glance at google image search would reveal that the mufti was indeed a nazi.

    Haha… Mythical connection…

  17. As-salaamu alaikum:

    Umar brother, you can’t just say or insinuate that only whites, “the white man,” or white racists hate Muslims. I don’t deny that many white racist non-Muslims hate Muslims. Of course. But so do many of COLOR non-Muslims hate Muslims. This is something that I see you are talking about a lot recently, as you probably have also articulated this in the past. White man this, white man that…. Well, let me tell you something, i hear BLACK, and BROWN skinned LATINO non-Muslims say many despicable, disgusting, heinous, and RACIST things about Muslims all the time! (“ALL them stupid, dumb*** AY-RABS are so evil and barbaric,” or how about, ” We need to kill and drop some nukes on all them damn, stupid, crazy “ISLAMICS”” etc., etc., etc., etc.)

    Obviously, you know as a Muslim that Allah (swt) says that the kufaar will NEVER be pleased with you until you become like one of them.

    You and other Muslims on this blog, “at times,” seem to blame many, if not just about all of our ills on the “white man.” You seem to have a very simplistic and ridiculous notion that the non-Muslim kufaar will love us, JUST because they are of COLOR. This is such a simplistic, and I’m sorry brother, but jahaliya way of thinking. Do you think that brown skinned non-Muslim Latinos love you or other Muslims? Do you think that black, African-American non-Muslims love you or other Muslims? Do you think that non-Muslim Asians love you or other Muslims? That non-Muslim Pacific Islanders love you or other Muslims? That non-Muslim Caribbean-Americans love you or other Muslims? Wake up and smell the coffee brother. Do you think that the invading Christian Crusader BLACK Ethiopians who have massacred and slaughtered BLACK Muslim Somolis love you or other Muslims? (oh it’s the white man’s fault…) Do you think that the BROWN skinned Indian extremist Hindu fascists who killed, slaughtered, RAPED, and BURNED thousands (!!!) of BROWN skinned Indian Muslims in Gujarat love you or other Muslims? Do you think that the “OF COLOR” so-called ethnic Chinese non-Muslims who have oppressed, ethnically cleansed, and killed Uighurs Muslims in East Turkestan (“Western China”) for hundreds of years, love you or other Muslims? NOTE, I’m saying that all of these “of color” non-Muslims hate us, of course not….

    But brother, let’s keep thinking that nonwhite, “of color” non-Muslims love us, or DON’T hate you, or other Muslims. My bad…. all “of color” non-Muslims can NEVER be bigots, haters, or racists….

  18. You don’t read too well do you, boozedpenguin? Read it again, the reference to the whitewashing of the rape 14 year Iraqi girls was aimed at OmarG, not Jordan. Thats why I provided a link, but like the lazy cretin that you are you didnt bother checking it out. A google image of a german delegation meeting the Palestinian Mufti in the 1930s hardly makes him a nazi. This is typical judeofascist propaganda to smear the Palestinians. You can say that about anybody who met any German officials at the time, but the label would apply correctly to zionist terrorists like future Israeli prime minister Ishak Shamir who openly volunteered his services to the Germans in exchange for a Jewish state in Palestine at the time. Zionist collaboration with the Nazis is a fact.
    Since you don’t have a clue I suggest you get sober before attempting to post again and make a fool out of yourself.

  19. DrM: A google image of a german delegation meeting the Palestinian Mufti in the 1930s hardly makes him a nazi.

    Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was a nazi. He begged Hitler to extend the Holocaust to Palestine.

    I don’t think though that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine could be justified on the grounds that one prominent Palestinian was a nazi, though…

  20. Ditto to what George Carty said. Honestly, I’m not quite sure why you’re arguing about this fact DrM. It is fairly well known that Al-Husseini was a nazi and collaborated with them. It is not some type of judeofascist propaganda or a myth. Ample documentation including that from the Nuremberg Trials backs it up.

    Although to go from one man being a nazi collaborator to all of Palestine being Nazi collaborators as some uber-zionists like to say is definitely a bit of a stretch to say the least.

  21. The Nazis sought, and found, allies pretty much everywhere.

    From Ukraine, to Tibet, to the Armenian diaspora (google “Hossank”), Latin America, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania, Romania, India (google “Netaji” or “Subhas Chandra Bose”), Iran (Reza Khan Pahlavi), and yes, even Israel and the Jewish diaspora.

  22. Dariush

    I know i’m just saying the connection wasn’t mythical. I was mostly rebutting the way he chose to challenge Jordan – by suggesting he supports Pedophilia. I think that’s a horrible thing to do, and it strikes me as a tactic employed by those without ideas strong enough to stand on their own.

    When people turn to tactics as pathetic and hurtful as suggesting a person supports Pedophilia regardless of that persons political opinion (unless they actually support pedophilia) i have to interject. It’s damaging to the quality of the debate and, in my opinion shows weakness in the character of the accuser, and in their argument.

    To me, it doesn’t much matter what point they are trying to make. I think those kind of accusations have no place in a civil debate.

  23. Dariush

    For example, if somebody accused DrM, or you, or Umar or anybody of being a pedophile, or supporting pedophilia even if we completely disagreed on everything i would have to step in. I think throwing those kind of accusations is wrong.

  24. Dr M is a nutcase who lives in a paralell universe where the evil Jews are behind everything and no Muslim ever does anything wrong except act “progressive”. He’s the flipside and counterpart of the Muslim hating a**holes we used to see here like Boris, or the wave of racist LGF people Umar got. Engaging him in argument is pointless, as shown by him denyting the well-established historical ties of some Muslims to the Nazis as well as equating Omar G with rapists. It’s like arguing with Ann Coulter, i.e., pointless.

    Ironically, as a Muslim who hates the neocons and wants the US out of the Muslim world, I should be more on his “side”, but I don’t hang with neo-nazis even when they claim they have something in common with me. I disagree with Omar G sometimes, and Jordan plenty, but at least they’re halfway reasonable human beings who can resist spouting anti-semitic catchphrases every other sentence.

  25. BP,

    My post wasn’t directed at you, or any other individual, so much as at the idea that an alliance between a Palestinian mufti and Nazi Germany was some sort of unique evil in history. And again, I’m not saying that you, or anybody else, suggested that. Just that when you see this historical example pop up, again and again, on forums like LGF and FreeRepublic.com… I was just trying to nip it in the bud.

    Dr M wasn’t talking about pedophilia, but about the rape of a 14-year-old girl in Iraq at the hands of US soldiers, who was then killed, along with her entire family.

    Rape as a weapon used by soldiers during wartime is something different from “pedophilia.” Just as bad, if not worse, but different.

  26. What DM was suggesting, if I’m not mistaken, was that Omar attempted to brush aside or excuse this incident in some manner.

    I don’t know if he actually did that or not, which is why I don’t want to get in the middle of it.

  27. Dariush

    I don’t believe for a second anybody here supports using rape as a weapon of war or the actions of the united states soldiers. If i’m wrong, and somebody here really supports what those soldiers did, post away and i’ll gladly admit i was wrong.

    And yes, i get your point and i do think it’s a valid one. The mufti supporting nazi’s does not point to all palestinians being Nazi’s, just like Vichy france isn’t commonly used to suggest all french are nazi’s. I can see nipping it in the bud. You made a valid point, and it was the kind of point that would contribute to a decent debate.

    But accusations such as the ones DrM was making are bullshit. DA is right, he’s a coulter clone. Like coulter he clearly doesn’t care what kind of hurtful comments he levies on those he disagrees with.

    Classic Coulter.

    He was not nipping it in the bud like you were. He was being insulting, offensive and clearly using the internet forum as some sort of conduit for rage.

    DrM, why are you so angry that you need to be insulting online? I hope you find a more healthy, productive way of coping with the rage that so clearly dwells within you, for your own sake.

    Rage, Hate and Anger won’t help you.

  28. a.m. said:

    Although to go from one man being a nazi collaborator to all of Palestine being Nazi collaborators as some uber-zionists like to say is definitely a bit of a stretch to say the least.

    Exactly. Notice how he went about rebutting that point. Seems a little more civil and productive then:

    You don’t read too well do you, boozedpenguin? Read it again, the reference to the whitewashing of the rape 14 year Iraqi girls was aimed at OmarG, not Jordan. Thats why I provided a link, but like the lazy cretin that you are you didnt bother checking it out.

    or this:

    And don’t be so hard on Gomer, I mean OmarG….its tough enough being an apologist for his cowardly buddies who gangrape 14 year old girls, let alone “liberating” the black and brown masses of the world, especially their woman.

    DrM do you think those are the kind of statements that will win you the respect of those who disagree with you?

    To me, it makes you look angry, confused, hurt and maybe a little crazy.

    Like Coulter.

  29. Dariush, and boozedpengiun, my comments against Gomer(omarg) have to do with his support for the war in Iraq, including white washing US atrocities, amongst several other racist comments. Its on altmuslim. What kind of extremist idiot states that the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Lancet Medical journal are in cohoots with Hamas and Hezbollah, as part of some global anti-american front? A judeofascist degenerate like Jordan. I provided the link, click it and you might understand why I’m not particularly interested in winning the “respect” of these sick charlatans. And no, the mufti of Palestine was no nazi, neither were the Irish who voiced support for the Germans because of their opposition to the British imperialism. So boozedpengo, I suggest you refrain from repeating ahistorical propaganda and concocting confabulations(show me where I called anyone a pedophile) which you probably picked from a Coulter article. Go to lgf and get some new material.
    As for DA, once in a while he may make a good point when he’s not overdosing on his meds. Otherwise he’s just another PC idiot who tosses the “anti-semite” label like any other rabid zionist loser who cant fact the facts.

  30. DrM, you are truly a disgusting excuse for a human being and quite frankly I’m sick of you. I’ve been reading your comments for awhile on various sites, including Umar’s old blog and can seriously think of nothing worthwhile that you have ever contributed to a discussion aside from labeling people either AshkeNAZI, Schlomo, or a variety of other derogatory terms. The sign of an ignorant mind is someone who can’t converse without resorting to taunts and insults, which you apparently can’t. Why don’t you get your head out of your ass and breathe some fresh air, cause it seems like you need it.

    DA’s totally right. You’re just like Coulter, Schlussel, and all the other nutcases out there who thrive on the propagation of hatred. Its kind of amusing when I think about it because you clearly think you’re better than them.

  31. Cry me a salty river a.m., because I don’t care what you think. In fact you are clueless. Go ahead and cherry pick my comments and ignore the scum who I respond to. You must have more then your share of free time.
    I will make no apologies for taking on vermin who make excuses for gang rapists or those that insist judeofascists can kill Palestinian woman and children because Intel has a plant in Haifa, or that poor little lgf isn’t racist. People who tend to find me offensive are zionist neocons(some of whom can’t even read it seems) and useful over-medicated imbeciles like DA who can’t argue the points. I can live with that.
    But you are more then welcome to show me the evidence of the link between the Lancet medical journal and Hamas. Jordan ran away after making this ludicrous claim, as I knew he would. Keep your hypocritical head safely jammed in your rear end and stay out of discussions beyond the scope your understanding.

  32. See, I love the way I can identify fanatics by the way they place me on the other side. Leftists think I’m a facsist, rightists think I’m a communist. Rabid zionists think I’m an nutcase Islamist, you say I’m a “rabid zionist”. What does that tell you?

  33. I’m still here DrM, I just thought it would be better to let you do all the talking.

    oh, in case anyone is new here, I am the judeofascist-degenerate-Palestinian-killing-pedophile-neocon-zioNazi-ashkeNazi-racist-scum that DrM is talking about… so typical of my “breed”.

    As for my ludicrous claim that Al-Husseini was a Nazi who lead Muslim Waffa SS brigades in Bosnia… yeah, that’s just nuts! Incidentally, it was just rephrasing a quote from “Aryan Nation” where a neo-nazi was talking about past friendships and future alliances..

    The whole point of my comment was the disturbing trend for white-power groups and Islamists groups to form a marriage of convenience based solely on the hatred of Israel. Watching David Duke receive a hero’s welcome in Iran and Syria is something both Jews and Muslims should be concerned about.

    DrM, honestly, what happened in your life that made you to be so consumed by hate? I mean, your a professional doctor for g-d’s sake.

  34. DrM

    Just looked through your blog. Looks like a bunch of insane ramblings. I noticed this little jem:

    “If you ask me, this radioactive hippo isn’t qualified to lick a stamp sideways. 2006 witnessed the greasy, gooey, stale gulab jamooney, glyceriny, gutter gestating goofball’s full transformation into a neocon lapdog (to which communism is the common gateway drug) along with shameless efforts to promote himself by playing victim to fake death threats with grave warnings about the phantom menace of “Islamism.” A Green Day poster is not a death threat. People disagreeing with your dirty politics do not constitute a death threat. Being named last year’s top idiot is not a threat. So what do most people do when threatened? They call the cops and lodge a report. Fatah never did so, knowing full well that filing fake police reports is a prosecutable crime. But of course we know there are real death threats, and then….there are “death threats,” used by many an anti-muslim media whore.”

    You don’t think the death threats to tarak fatah are real?

    Here’s one for you. A muslim being threatened by other muslims. By the sounds of things, muslims like you. Muslims consumed by hate.

    [audio src="http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20070320.wav" /]

  35. DA,
    That makes you is a confused little hypocritical twerp trying to be a little bit of everything to all people. I guess it depends which fractured personality you choose to be on a given day.

    Jordan,
    Your straw man tactics are getting old. Neo-Nazi groups have no love for Arabs or Muslims whatsoever, just like you judeofascists dont give a rats behind about Darfur. What crocadile tears either group has shed is just that, crocadile tears. Its amusing how you take the words of ne0-nazi idiots as fact when concerning the Arabs you love to hate so much. We’re also not talking about David Duke(who hardly got a “hero’s welcome” in Iran or Syria), we’re talking about your lies, especially the “connection” of John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Lancet medical journal to Hamas and Hezbollah as part of some leftist anti-american conspiracy you claimed. When I asked you to name your sources, you turned tail and ran like the zionist fraud that you are. Now how about you prove me wrong and cite your sources?

    Boozedpengo,
    Unfortunately you continue to suffer from cluelessness and poor english comprehension skills. Tarek Fatah is a known conman and a sensationalist drama queen. Just like the neocon MCC. But ofcourse you don’t know that, just like you don’t know that I urged people not to even send him anything he could claim as a death threat, including a Green Day poster which he feels threatened by. Why didn’t he ever file a police report? Oh, but I guess you never read his resignation letter from the MCC did you? So don’t bother with the old selective cut and paste trick.
    Also please show me where I called anyone a pedophile. If not, you owe me a retraction. Learn to read before typing and humiliating yourself online.

  36. Bill wrote “The average law abiding American is simply not going to come into contact with this sub-group.”

    If they have kids that are punk rockers, into alternative or rock music they most certainly will. I was in this scene as a teen and the majority of the right wing followers came from middle to upper class families.

    One of the people who hung out with us was actually the son of America West Airlines.

    Jordan,

    As to white supremists converting to Islam, I can say this is VERY, VERY rare. A white guy converting to Islam in prison, especially here in the USA, is a virtual death sentence.

    If any white guy, let alone a former skinhead converted to Islam in the USA, his life wouldnt be worth a penny. The Aryan Brotherhood would have him whacked within a week and it would probably be the “Nazi Lowriders” who would do it.

    There are a very small amount of white racists who have converted to Islam as a method to further their anti-semitism, but these idiots are roundly rejected by 99.999999% of all Muslims, as we have seen happen on this very blog.

    Let them head to prison and try to attend Friday prayers, not only the whites would shank them, but the Blacks probably would as well.

    No one who knows anything about the far right scene would make such a statement. Any such relationship between far right groups and Islamists is purely practical and has nothing to do with a religious nature.

    I think the real ties based on religion are the far right Christian Zionists and the pro-Israeli camp. Again, like the right wing-Islamist thing, it is a marriage of practicalities.

    The Christian Zionists want to convert all Jews to Christianity and send the rest to hell, the Neo-Nazis would slaughter the Muslims the second they think they had finished the Jews.

  37. DA,
    That makes you is a confused little hypocrite trying to be a little bit of everything to all people. I guess it depends which fractured personality you choose to be on a given day.

    Jordan,
    Your straw man tactics are getting old. Neo-Nazi groups have no love for Arabs or Muslims whatsoever, just like you judeofascists dont give a rats behind about Darfur. What crocadile tears either group has shed is just that, crocadile tears. Its amusing how you take the words of ne0-nazi idiots as fact when concerning the Arabs you love to hate so much. We’re also not talking about David Duke(who hardly got a “hero’s welcome” in Iran or Syria), we’re talking about your lies, especially the “connection” of John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Lancet medical journal to Hamas and Hezbollah as part of some leftist anti-american conspiracy you claimed. When I asked you to name your sources, you turned tail and ran like the zionist fraud that you are. Now how about you prove me wrong and cite your sources?

    Boozedpengo,
    Unfortunately you continue to suffer from cluelessness and poor english comprehension skills. Tarek Fatah is a known conman and a sensationalist drama queen. Just like the neocon MCC. But ofcourse you don’t know that, just like you don’t know that I urged people not to even send him anything he could claim as a death threat, including a Green Day poster which he feels threatened by. Why didn’t he ever file a police report? Oh, but I guess you never read his resignation letter from the MCC did you? So don’t bother with the old selective cut and paste trick.
    Also please show me where I called anyone a pedophile. If not, you owe me a retraction. Learn to read before typing and humiliating yourself online.

  38. DA,
    That makes you is a confused little hypocritical twerp trying to be a little bit of everything to all people. I guess it depends which fractured personality you choose to be on a given day.

    Jordan,
    Your straw man tactics are getting old. Neo-Nazi groups have no love for Arabs or Muslims whatsoever, just like you judeofascists dont give a rats behind about Darfur. What crocadile tears either group has shed is just that, crocadile tears. Its amusing how you take the words of ne0-nazi idiots as fact when concerning the Arabs you love to hate so much. We’re also not talking about David Duke(who hardly got a “hero’s welcome” in Iran or Syria), we’re talking about your lies, especially the “connection” of John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Lancet medical journal to Hamas and Hezbollah as part of some leftist anti-american conspiracy you claimed. When I asked you to name your sources, you turned tail and ran like the zionist fraud that you are. Now how about you prove me wrong and cite your sources?

    Boozedpengo,
    Unfortunately you continue to suffer from cluelessness and poor english comprehension skills. Tarek Fatah is a known conman and a sensationalist drama queen. Just like the neocon MCC. But ofcourse you don’t know that, just like you don’t know that I urged people not to even send him anything he could claim as a death threat, including a Green Day poster which he feels threatened by. Why didn’t he ever file a police report? Oh, but I guess you never read his resignation letter from the MCC did you? So don’t bother with the old selective cut and paste trick.
    Also please show me where I called anyone a pedophile. If not, you owe me a retraction. Learn to read before typing and humiliating yourself online.

    DrM

  39. Abu Sinan, didn’t I remember reading one of your postings when you said you were an ex-neo-Nazi? (In the same post, I think you said something like that if your former neo-Nazi friends came to your house now, you’d shoot first and ask questions later?)

  40. George,

    That is right. I was raised that way, it is all I knew. So I know what I am talking about here.

    The idea that there is some mass movement with the Neo-Nazi scene either converting to Islam or working with Islamists is just plain insane.

    If there was such a cozy relationship between the far right, Islam and conversions, I wouldnt have my “shoot first” policy, but trust me, I see one of those idiots at my door and they better be able to outrun a 7.62 x 39 full metal jacket.

  41. George,

    The point I am trying to make, and after reading my original post I am not sure I did, is that I the exception, not the rule. People from this background converting without loosing the racist ideology is even more rare.

    Look, Islam is a religion that teaches the complete equality of the races, even those Muslims do not reach this lofty goal.

    The vast majority of white converts to Islam, probably 95 out of 100, come from middle to upper class families. The other 5 out of 100 come from poor or working class backgrounds in majority minority areas.

    Maybe 1 in 10,000 white converts to Islam comes from a racist background.

  42. Interesting stuff, Abu Sinan.

    This one guy I grew up with turned into a nazi skinhead, almost overnight, in high school. I never saw it coming and never could quite figure out why.

    Long story short about 5, 6 years later I hear through the grapevine that he had been doing time (dealing meth, I think) and that he converted to Islam in prison. A month after that he was killed directly at the hands of the leader of whatever white power gang it was that he had previously been a member of. Not the Aryan Brotherhood… can’t remember the name.

    But the guy who did it was Greek. Which I thought was unusual, until someone pointed out to me that Greece is home to a burgeoning nazi/white power movement.

    Anyway, just to clarify, when I was going off on “white supremacist Muslims” who post here, I was never targeting you, only OmarG and DA. And I think I may have jumped the gun on DA, although I don’t take back anything I’ve said about Omar.

  43. Regarding DrM’s post above, I have no idea who Tarek Fatah is, but I think his response to Jordan is right on point. Especially with regards to the sinister hidden connection between Johns Hopkins/The Lancet and Hamas and Hezbollah, and the crocodile tears over Darfur.

  44. DrM

    its tough enough being an apologist for his cowardly buddies who gangrape 14 year old girls

    So – he’s apologizing for his friends who gang rape 14 year olds? Doesn’t that entail support? You were accusing OmarG of supporting pedophilia, something that i highly doubt. It’s also highly offensive, but you clearly can’t help it.

    Did you even listen to the death threat i posted?

    [audio src="http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20070320.wav" /]

    Here’s the text of it:

    “This is a warning to Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan and to all the members of your Munafiq (Apostate) organization. Wa Allah al-Azeem (In the name of God who is great), I swear… on all 99 names of Allah, if you do not cease from your campaign of smearing Islam…Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, (by God, by God, by God), I will slaughter all of you.

    That is a direct death threat. I’ve provided you with the audio and the text now.

    Of course, he’s n apostate, so you’ll keep on going on about how he’s making it all up, despite the audio i provided for you

    You’ve already made up your mind and it’s clear i’m talking with somebody consumed by hate. You can’t help but be hostile. To be honest, i think that says something about your character.

  45. Dariush

    The only people in any position to manipulate Sudanese behavior are the Arabs and the Chinese. The only reason nobody is able to make a move against the atrocities in Darfur is that china has big natural resource deals with the government,they block any resolution in the UN, and the Arab League won’t call what’s happening in Darfur a genocide (think Rwanda style: they don’t want to get involved) and china isn’t going to shoot itself in the foot by destabilizing an oil producing nation they have important resource deasl with.

    All the christians and the jews, and the west can do is talk about the problems, they are blocked from taking action. I doubt very much if the Arabs could stop it (or would), and we both know China is looking out for number 1. So long as the resources flow they will protect the regime, These are the same people propping up North Korea to keep any refugees from flooding their border. They don’t give a fuck about the people in Darfur.

    America and the rest of the world can’t do anything about Darfur.

  46. Dariush,

    Your story about the murder of a white power skinhead turn Muslim in prison is exactly the way it would have happened.

    You see, the majority of these white prison gangs do not really look upon the whole “White Power” thing as much more than a gang marker, like a red bandana for a Blood.

    Many of these same “white power” types have or have had non white girlfriends and business dealings their whole life. For them, as opposed to many neo-nazi groups outside of prison, the white power trip is nothing more than gang culture. They will do business with non whites, have sex with non whites, the whole deal.

    This is one of the reasons why many neo-nazi skinheads who go to prison actually get turned off on the whole thing. Whereas the skinhead is ideological, he doesnt want anything to do with non whites or Jews and often has a complete set of political ideals very well thought out, the prison gang member is in it for the tribal politics.

    Hence, in prison, for a white guy to convert to Islam and start spending time around blacks would be akin to becoming a traitor, in prison politics, and becoming part of the “other side”.

    I never took your words as an attack on myself. No worries. Do you have any articles on that guy who was killed? I would be interested in reading more about that.

    As to why people become skinheads, it is for many reason, just like any other gang, except race hatred is a big part of it and that usually comes from home.

    Tarek Fatah is a left wing writer of Pakistani descent. I believe he is an avowed apostate. However, his political writings are spot on.

  47. I’ll try to find an article or two. My own computer is down and my backup drive is not handy.

    However you might be able to find something if you do a search for “Peter Gorgacarakos”. That’s the guy who was the head of the WP gang, and who personally killed him. The spelling of the last name may be off a little. I think there’s an “e” in there, or an extra “k” or something.

    Wait… yeah, its “Georgacarakos”.

  48. It would seem the group in question is one I hadnt heard of. Not suprising, these groups come and go like sand on a beach. The White Order of Thule they are called, some neo-pagan group, sounds like the Odinists that were around when I was in that scene.

    The guy killed was named Randall Scott Anderson. He converted and even apologised in court for what he did.

    A rare guy, and in a way, a hero. He died because he converted hence he is a martyr.

  49. The passage of time dulls the memory. I’d forgotten his name, forgotten the crime he was indicted for (he was dealing meth at the time of his arrest, but apparently was locked up for something far more serious), forgotten the names of all but one of his murderers, and that only stayed with me because, at the time, I was shocked that a Greek guy was heading a white power organization from behind the walls of some prison in Pennsylvania.

    So yeah, a true martyr.

  50. DrM

    My reference to Lancette’s editor, Richard Horton, to left-wing groups is fairly solid. With a few clicks you can view his youtube videos at anti-American/Israel marches. This connection is not “sinister” or a “hidden conspiracy”, Mr. Horton proudly speaks to anti-Israel/American crowds.

    Normally, for political activists, this is fine. But for an editor of what is supposed to be an objective medical journal, to make such partisan speeches is inappropriate and provokes valid questions regarding their credibility and motives. A medical journal as important as Lancet are supposed to behave like objective scientists rather than political activists, right wing or left wing.

    Now that this conspiracy issue is explained, can you tell me again how the clip showing Palestinians dancing on 911 was really a CNN hoax? Of all your theories, that is probably my favorite.

    Dariush

    It’s not without irony that on a thread discussing neo-nazism you link to an article, published in the Aryan magazine “Spotlight” suggesting that the Nazis and Jews were aligned. This type of horrible Holocaust revisionism is another method both Nazis and some Islamists groups seem to employ. Instead of outright denying that the Holocaust took place, it now seems more effective to say it did happen and the Jews themselves were in on it.

    Abu Sinan

    I appreciate your openness in recanting your transition from former neo-nazi to Islam, but I must ask, were you at all attracted by the fact that you would not have to abandon your passionate opposition to Jewish self-determination? As both a skinhead and now Muslim, it seems that your main political activism continues to be objecting to Zionism and the right of Israel to exist.

    At minimum, these incidents including the mainstream Muslim Public Affairs Committee, Britain’s largest Muslim civil rights group, funding the Holocaust denier David Irving shows this is not just an exception to the rule situation.

    Of course I am not trying to say “All Muslims are Neo-Nazis” or even most converts are skinheads looking for a new reason to hate Israel. That is a disgusting statement and obviously untrue. But at the same time I don’t think we can simply ignore the rising connection between neo-nazis and some Islamists groups. If we do, it will end badly for all of us.

  51. Boozedpengo, you’re losing it. Your lack of english comprehension and disingenuousness is getting old. “Entailing support” for gang rapists is not the definition of a pedophile and you know it. So who did I call a pedophile again? You’re going to have to come up with a better distraction then these silly confabulations of yours.
    I’ve already explained my warning to anyone sending any negative messages to Fatah. So your claims fall flat. I asked Fatah how many death threats he received and how many he reported to the police. He never answered. Obviously he knows filing false reports is a crime. The fact that you don’t know the first thing about Fatah and insist on shilling for him shows how desperate you are. You didnt read his resignation letter(which never cited death threats), you didn’t read the objections of people from his own organization which led to its splintering, nor do you have a clue how well known he is as a fraud, pariah and opportunist within Canada’s political establishment. In fact the only people who support Fatah are neocons looking for a useful idiot.
    You simply don’t know, nor have you made the effort to educate yourself what the heck you’re carping about. Your hatred, dishonesty and sheer stupidity is really beginning to show.If ignorance were a disability, you’d get the full pension.
    As for you Jordan, I’m still waiting for some citation of the link you claim exists between Hamas, Hezbollah and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Lancet medical journal as part of some anti-american front. If not, I await your admission and apology for being a liar(not that I’m holding my breath or anything).

  52. DrM

    Try again. If you look at my posts i said that you accused him of supporting pedophilia, not being a pedophile.

    Here’s a definition from Princeton:

    “a sexual attraction to children”

    By suggesting OmarG supports or downplays the gang rape of a 14 year old (a person below the age of consent and thus a child in the eyes of the law) you are suggesting he is defending people with a sexual desire for children, or as they are commonly referred to “pedophiles”.

    You said:

    “Why didn’t he ever file a police report?”

    He has reported it to the police. See?

    http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.com/

    In the March 20th post it says:

    “An extremist, swearing in the name of Allah, has threatened MCC president
    Farzana Hassan and founder Tarek Fatah, promising to “slaughter” them along
    with all members of the Muslim Canadian Congress.

    Toronto Police are investigating the death threat, which was left as a message on
    the telephone of MCC secretary general, Munir Pervaiz. Here is the full text of the warning:

    “This is a warning to Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan and to all the members of your Munafiq (Apostate) organization. Wa Allah al-Azeem (In the name of God who is great), I swear… on all 99 names of Allah, if you do not cease from your campaign of smearing Islam…Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, (by God, by God, by God), I will slaughter all of you.”

    I know exactly why the split occurred. All you have to do is go to the article section under MCC split and read about it here:

    http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.com/20060824.html

    Eight board members of the Muslim Canadian Congress have resigned their positions, apparently over internal disagreements about a Lebanon war protest at which Hezbollah flags and photos were displayed.

    “They resigned after the board passed a non-confidence motion against them,” said Tarek Fatah, the congress’ former communications director who is speaking for the organization until his position is filled.

    “We went to the (Aug. 12) demonstration and found that there were Hezbollah flags and pictures of the Iranian president,” Fatah said.

    “They (the resigned members) are Canadian supporters of Hezbollah … This sort of blind following is not acceptable to us.”

    The way you write online is clearly hostile and offensive. You continue to accuse Fatah of being a shill claiming that all his supporters are neocons – proof please? What’s your source for that statement?

    You rely on insults instead of fact. You imply support for gang rape as a weapon of war and for some reason unbeknownst to me feel the need to insult those who disagree with you.

    I’m unsure of why?

  53. Jordan: “It’s not without irony that on a thread discussing neo-nazism you link to an article, published in the Aryan magazine “Spotlight” suggesting that the Nazis and Jews were aligned.”

    Oh, for the love of …. (rolling my eyes)

    Do you know who Lenni Brenner is? Is Marxists.de a crypto-“Aryan” site? I was expecting you to bust out the well-worn “self-hating Jew” libel against him. But nooooo, you had to overplay your hand and whip out the ole’ reliable nazi analogy.

    Did you ever stop and think that maybe just a because a certain site or magazine links to or reproduces someone’s writings, that doesn’t mean that that author has granted them permission to do so?

    Man…. wrongwitchu?

  54. Here’s a brief bio of SS Gruppenfuhrer Lenni Brenner.

    What an evil, wicked man he is. Pardon me while I smash my head against this wall over here, out of frustration in trying to talk with you as I would any normal human being.

  55. Jordan,

    Neither Jews nor Israel played any part in my conversion to Islam.

    As to neo-Nazis, I think you’ll find that most of them dont give a damn about “Jewish self-determinism” as you describe it. As a matter of fact, I think they rather like the idea of having all Jews in one place. It makes it that much easier for them to be targeted.

    I am against the idea of any religiously exclusive state in the same way I am against any state set up for the sole advancement of one race (ie Apartheid South Africa) or one ethnicity (pre-genocide Rwanda).

    The only legitimate state is one set up with the express goal of advance ALL citizens of that state, regardless of religion, race or ethnicity. Anything else is wrong. That goes for Israel in the same way if goes for Saudi Arabia.

    Too many Muslims make the mistake you do Jordan in that you equal Judaism/Jewishness/Jews with Israel. Judaism/Jewishness/Jews survived for thousands of years without Israel. I think, actually, that Israel actually makes the eventual extermination of a large part of the Jewish population MORE likely not less likely.

    Just like one is taught in the military, never walk too close together. One bomb or gun burst can take you all out whereas if you are disbursed it is less likely.

    Your contention that being anti-Israel equals anti Jewish just doesnt hold water. I have a large amount of respect for Jews, but not for Israel and it would be the same if Christians ran the country solely for the advance of Christians.

    It is similar to the way I feel about Lebanon, where the government is set up to promote certain religions in a way that has nothing to do with actual populations of the country. In a democracy all people are equal. That is what I want for Israel.

    One person, one vote, for all people under Israeli control. Let the people decide their own fate.

  56. Sorry about the double post.

    Here’s a tract written by this monster for the Al-Awda Yahoo discussion group on the topic of “holocaust deniers and other falsifiers”:

    “Arabs and Muslims, like everyone else, divide into smart & stupid. Smart Arabs and Muslims study real history. Stupid Arabs and Muslims, like nationalists and fanatics of all religions, everywhere, develop fantasy solutions to real problems. Giving credence to holocaust deniers, naively ‘solves’ the problem of Zionist misuse of the holocaust to gain support for Zionism’s criminal regime. Except that no amount of attention given to the denier-frauds, by either peurile Arabs or Muslims, will shake world opinion from its certainty that the holocaust happened.”

    (shudder)

    No viler words were penned by Hitler himself, I tells ya.

  57. If there was such a cozy relationship between the far right, Islam and conversions, I wouldnt have my “shoot first” policy, but trust me, I see one of those idiots at my door and they better be able to outrun a 7.62 x 39 full metal jacket.

    So you have an AK-clone then?

  58. Abu Sinan

    Looking over Aryan material, their focus seems to be square on Zionism, which to most Jews means self-determination. A place where Jews can make their own laws, protect Hebrew by making it the official language, and promoting Jewish culture through national holidays. Israel, which neo-nazis call “ZOG” is the only place on earth where this is possible.

    Although your statement that the neo-nazis wanting all the Jews to move to Israel so they can kill them is something I have heard before. Hezbollah has also repeated that line, almost word for word.

    And of course we have this debate a million times. You compare Israel to an apartheid, I point out that it is the only state that grants its Arabs (and Christian, Bahai, and Druze) equal rights and freedoms in the entire region. Including the right to convert, work, sue your own government, and live, dress, drink, and pray as you wish.

    And of course you will mention that Jews should not have a link to a piece of land and point out that criticism of Israel is not anti-Jewish. In turn, I always point out that Jews link to Israel is just as legitimate as Muslims link to infidel-free Mecca and of course, my usual statement that honest criticism of Israel is fine and necessary, but disproportional criticism that expects Israel to live up to standards higher than any Muslim country (almost all undemocratic police-states) is unfair. For example, putting Israel in the same category of a nation that stones to death women and does not allow public displays of any other religion than Islam is a common tactic to make the Jewish state look unfairly evil.

    A pragmatic argument is that we live in the real world. While so much of this planet is dedicated to the propagation of Islam including apostasy laws, restrictions on Coptic Churches, etc… it is only fair and reasonable for the Jews to have a tiny state to protect their culture and language from exterior cultural forces. Somewhat like how the “apartheid” state of Quebec protect French.

    And yes, I do believe that it somewhat antisemitic that the world believes that Hebrew and Judaism are the only language and culture that is unworthy of protection by a sovereign nation. Specially considering the fact that Israel has a thriving and democratically represented Muslim population who seem to be the only people in the middle-east who have no desire to escape to the west for freedom and opportunity.

    Self-determination should not just be for Muslims. Jews should have the right to that concept as well.

    Ask yourself what what would you do if the situation was reversed. If there were 1 billion Jews on this planet controlling 55 countries with little to no freedoms and accomplishments and only 14 million Muslims controlling one tiny state with wonderful medical and scientific breakthroughs that benefit the entire world. Would you agree to become yet another Jewish majority country and destroy the only place on earth that accepts Muslims, destroy the culture of innovation that you worked so hard to develop, and end the one place on earth who’s interests is to protect Muslim culture from becoming another footnote in history?

    (man, we will never get tired of this argument, will we. I will say, I think we are both more civil to each other lately)

  59. I have a question. Why do self proclaimed liberal/secular Jews care so much about the State of Israel? By your own accounts you don’t practice your faith, your girlfriend is not Jewish and you are Jewish in name only. And I’m not just talking about you, Jordan, but other Jews I know who have stated that they don’t practice their faith but are somewhat obsessed with Israel.
    So why do you care so much about a country that has supposedly benefited Judaism, allowed Jews to practice their faith/ whatever when you don’t really even care about those things enough to implement them in your own life?

  60. >> … one tiny state with wonderful medical and scientific breakthroughs that benefit the entire world …

    There it is again. The ubermensch naturally have a higher right to everything. Eminent domain? Now that doesn’t sound too bad does it Jordan? Obviously you haven’t been driven from your home.

  61. No Boozedpengo, you try again. You really aren’t doing yourself a favor by latching on to Tarek Fatah. As ever, your inability to read is just plain sad and dull, as are your semantic games regarding pedophilia. Go read up on drama queen Fatah from a source other then his own website and the neocon loons who promote him.

    So Jordan, you have shown no citation whatsoever. Your zionist smear of Richard Horton is laughable, so explain to me how that discredits the Lancet study on Iraqi casualities. And how exactly does the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health figure into your little conspiracy theory linking them to Hamas and Hezbollah as part of some global anti-american crusade? You’re a filthy liar, jordan.
    I warned you before not play this game with me. Let me explain, in Med school we all had to study epidemiology, it was a most boring subject and we all hated it at the time. But we all use it now in research and know how invaluable a tool it is. I asked you to provide me your specific objection to the design of the study. As expected, you gave me nothing, and ran off like the typical judeofascist liar that you are. Cutting and pasting from your favorite extremist websites will only get you so far. The only constant here is that all your arguments can be sourced back to your rectum.

  62. Blatant bs, a person can be anti-islamic and not be a “white supremacist” Me for instance am a anti-religious person and considers islam the worst of the them all and am openly Anti-islamic and anti-nazi and anti-white supmarcism

  63. I don’t care what you believe in so why do you care what I believe in, I don’t like black people and they don’t like me, then who cares, Islamic don’t like Christians and have been killing them for 1000s of years, get over your self do use all a favor be a martyr and take your life for your god and leave everyone else alone. I am glad I make bombs for my government and they take out many of the people I don’t care for, we wouldn’t be in war if it wasn’t for the Islam’s it never had to do with oil it has to do with the fact we are a Christian country and there is nothing you can do about it, even if you take my life you will never change my opinion.

  64. BNP r so close 2 getting elected because people r takin notice n kumin 2 there senses, were takin over an u muslims cant do fuk all about it! NATIONAL FRONT!!

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