Confronting the Minutemen and Other Anti-Immigrant Groups

Omar Rosario, a good friend of mine in Northern Virginia by way of the Boogie Down Bronx , recently had a verbal confrontation with a group of Minutemen members outside of a local 7-11.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with Northern VA , the Latino immigrant community and how 7-11 plays a role in it all this is how it is; since there are no bodegas or neighborhood stores (or real neighborhoods for that matter) and the lack of a real white working-class in Northern Virginia, day-laborers ( who are 99% Latino in that area) get up early in the morning and stand in front of 7-11’s for mostly white men in pickup trucks and vans to pick them up for construction, plumbing, landscaping, carpentry, roofing, moving and any other kind of work you can think of. It is the common belief that these men work for pennies and that is really not the case; some do get ripped off by greedy exploiters but because there are so many jobs in that area even these day-laborers can afford to be choosy and negotiate payment.

If you haven’t spent time in Northern VA it is almost impossible to describe how heavily saturated this are is with immigrants. There is a huge Latino population made up primarily of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Bolivians and Peruvians. Along with that there is a large East African, Arab, Afghan, Asian, South Asian and West African population. You can go to the supermarket and it is like Brooklyn or Queens in that you may walk up and down the aisles and not find any native-born Americas.

VA may be cosmopolitan in these areas; but it is still America and it still has that strong southern influence. Because of this there has been a major anti-immigrant sentiment building in Northern VA. The Republican candidate for governor recently tired to exploit these concerns to no avail in the gubernatorial election, but those sentiments are still present. Out of this feeling a local chapter of the anti-immigrant militia the Minutemen has been founded (along with an anti-Muslim website called NorthernVirginiastan). This group has been hanging out in front of 7-11’s and taking photos of the day-laborers and of the license plates numbers of those picking the workers up and generally harassing people.

For those of you unfamiliar with their arguments the anti-immigration movement argues that an over saturation of immigrants drive wages down for American workers, pollutes the culture because these immigrants refuse to fully adapt to white American cultural norms and creates an overcrowded environment. Pro-immigrant groups argue for looser borders where there can be a free flow of people back and forth betwen borders and where immigrant workers can fill the void in the job market. They also argue that America is a nation of immigrants and it is hypocritical for any American other than a Native American to be anti-immigration and I fall into this camp. Furthermore I will say that as much of the anti-immigrant is also anti-labor; I will say that the immigration issue is really not about immigration at all but is about race and about the fear of the browning of America.

When Omar saw these Minuteman taking photos of the day-laborers he decided that he would take photos of them. He then had them get in his truck and ride around the block with him and had the Latino day-laborers take photos of the Minutemen.

Omar yelled to the minutemen that he had just arrived to VA himself and the Minutemen snarled at him and asked where he came from. “The Bronx muthafucka” was his response.

It reminded me of my experience in St. Louis in front of the International Institute building when I arrived to protest against an anti-immigration rally. This rally was co-sponsored by the Council of Conservative Citizens and the National Alliance. As this is St. Louis they where mostly protesting against Bosnians and other Muslim immigrants and I felt the need to show up. When I walked up to the crowd one of the neo-Nazis approached me and said “hello, brother” and I said “Man, I aint your brother, I’m here to protest.” The thing about it was I was the only counter-protester there and the National alliance members were taking my photo and trying to intimidate me but I had my own chants like “More immigrants and less rednecks” and “GED convention on South Grand”. But, I was able to recruit several pedestrians to join my counter-protest which I considered a success.

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20 thoughts on “Confronting the Minutemen and Other Anti-Immigrant Groups

  1. Interesting. I wasnt aware of that blog in Northern Virginia, but it doesnt surprise me. The Metro DC is full of immigrants, but drive 30 minutes outside of it and it is the “old south” through and through.

    They call Dar al Hiraj the 9/11 mosque? Classic idiots these guys.

  2. While I too oppose the minutemen, the picture you have chosen is not of them is it? It is a picture of some white-power morons who have MUCH in common with many muslims – both groups hate Jews…

  3. “both groups hate Jews”

    Yes, Flanstein, Muslims are a monolithic group. We have absolutely no variation among ourselves, and we all hate Jews, including those among us who are ethnically Jewish. And you hate Muslims. How are you better than a neo-nazi again?

    Umar; I’m not a big fan of the term redneck, because, essentially, I am one. I may be a pro-immigrant, bilingual, mix-blood convert to Islam who grew up in a Mexican neighborhood, but I still come from America’s white rural working class. Redneck is a pretty classist expression, mainly used by well-off white liberals to make fun of the only group they feel safe looking down on these days. My grandmother is 100% Tenessee redneck and she was active in the Civil Rights struggle in the 60s, getting in peoples’ faces and fighting a hell of a lot harder than most college kids. Just me saying. PLus I enjoy owning guns and listening to Hank Williams :-)

    The rest of the article is spot on. I’m from San Diego and live in Tucson, both of which are in close proximity to the border, and the Minutemen here are crazy. Humane Borders sets up water stations in the desert, since immigrants crossing through that patch die out there pretty often, and some assholes actually go out and smash the water stations. It’s also been common for them to go out and catch people crossing and hold them at gun point til police arrive. A couple of them were filming people at a POLLING location in 2004, in South Tucson, to show how many “Mexicans” were voting in American elections. I haven’t had any violent run ins with them yet myself, my friend Ernesto ended up getting in a tense situation with four of these guys earlier this year; apparently they were going up to some poor teenage kid at a bus stop, asking him for proof of citizenship. Ernesto told them to leave the kid alone, and one decided to show that he had a 9mm holstered under his jacket. Ernesto decided to show them that he had two .380s tucked in his khackis and they left after some threats and promises to “fuck you up later you fuckin wetback.” Lovely folks.

    I think the thing that amazes me most is their gutlessness. They don’t go after the politicians or Corporate executives who are making their lives worse year by year. They go gang up on a bunch of poor Mexicans (well, in Arizona it’s mainly Mexicans), with guns, and it makes them feel like big men. I think it must be the closest thing to Viagra they can afford.

  4. That is actuaaly a picture of a group of neo-nazis who showed up at a Minutemen rally in Arizona.

    Da; I agree that the term redneck can be classist and is often used in that way by cultural-elitists, but there are also certain aspects of that culture, which in and of itself is not class-exclusive, that are problematic. Also, I think the Minutemen have racial motivations and not economic so that is why they are not rallying agaisnt CEO’s.

  5. “We have absolutely no variation among ourselves, and we all hate Jews”

    Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. [5:50]

    “You will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ ” (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

    The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)

    “Mohammed dealt with the Jews by taking the men, ten at a time, marching them into a trench and killing them. The women were all taken as captives, and only the male children were spared death. That is how Mohammed dealt with the Jews, and that is how you, Muslim, must deal with them. This is what you must do to be a Muslim.”

    Abu Hamza Al Masri,

  6. on verse 5:51 (not 50): The difficulties in understanding verse 5:51 begin with the translation of the Arabic word awliya’, commonly rendered as “friends.” In the context of this verse, the word awliya’ does not mean “friends” at all, as we use the term in English, and we know this from examining the occasion for its revelation. While it is true that awliya’ can mean “friends,” it has additional meanings such as “guardians,” “protectors,” and even “legal guardians.”

    complete discussion here http://www.fonsvitae.com/islamfundamentalism.html

    as for the hadith, it doesnt speak of jews in general, it talks about a war that will happen in the future. it is not a command to go killing all jews, it is describing something that will happen in the future.

    as for the story of banu qurayzah, it has been described as a lie and fabrication by imam malik and others, and it has no isnad as presented in the sira of ibn ishaq. Most scholars (even anti-islamic ones) believe the story is wildly exaggerated even if it happened at all, especially since no jewish source every mentioned what would have been such a great tragedy.

    as for the person who chose the punishment, it was the Sa’d ibn Muadth, leader of the Aws tribe. The Banu Qurayzah tribe were clients of the Aws and thus the Aws were responsible for them, as they were the ones who made a treaty with the prophet. The prophet said he will let Sa’d ibn Muadh choose the punishment because he might be lenient toward his clients. Instead, Sa’d ibn Muadh, knowing that he will die soon, said “it is time I feared Allah instead of the people” and he based the punishment based on the jewish law.. for the Banu Qurayzah had betrayed the muslims and attempted to help the attacking army against the muslims with whom they had a treaty.

    this is what the jewish law commands in regard to the treatment of any besieged city, even if it WERE innocent of treachery:

    “When the Lord thy God hath delivered it uno thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the swords: but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself” Deuteronomy 20:12

    thus the punishment was taken out of the jewish law because the involved treacherous party was Jewish.

    in the second post however, i will show that most modern scholars, even very anti-islamic ones, believe the story to be false. Ibn ishaq collected the story from descendents of the banu qurayzah who exaggerated the story, and there is no mention of this story in any jewish source. the quran, which is a contemporary source and thus considered the most accurate source by all scholars (for the simple fact that it is contemporary), shows things different.

  7. Arafat’s (a scholar) critique of the story, and this critique has convinced pretty much all scholars:

    -As already stated above, the reference to the story in the Qur’an is extremely brief, and there is no indication whatever of the killing of a large number. In a battle context the reference is to those who were actually fighting. The Qur’an is the only authority which the historian would accept without hesitation or doubt. It is a contemporary text, and, for the most cogent reasons, what we have is the authentic version.

    -The rule in Islam is to punish only those who were responsible for the sedition.
    To kill such a large number is diametrically opposed to the Islamic sense of justice and to the basic principles laid down in the Qur’an – particularly the verse. “No soul shall bear another’s burden.” It is obvious in the story that the leaders were numbered and were well known. They were named.

    -It is also against the Qur’anic rule regarding prisoners of war, which is: either they are to be granted their freedom or else they are to be allowed to be ransomed.

    -It is unlikely that the Banu Qurayza should be slaughtered when the other Jewish groups who surrendered before Banu Qurayza and after them were treated leniently and allowed to go. Indeed Abu ‘Ubayd b. Sallam relates in his Kitab al-amwal that when Khaybar felt [sic] to the Muslims there were among the residents a particular family or clan who had distinguished themselves by execesive [sic] unseemly abuse of the Prophet. Yet in that hour the Prophet addressed them in words which are no more than a rebuke: “Sons of Abu al-Huqayq (he said to them) I have known the extent of your hostility to God and to His apostle, yet that does not prevent me from treating you as I treated your brethren.” That was after the surrender of Banu Qurayza.

    the list is quite long, it continues here http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/xstnc-7.html

  8. finally we come to the constitution of Medina. This document is according to Steven Humphreys, in his survey of the “problems of early islamic history” is a “rare beast” in that “both Western and Muslim scholars agree unanimously that the piece is authentic”. Indeed, even scholars who deny the authenticity of the quran, of all the hadith, of everything we know about islamic history, have completely accepted the authenticty of this document, and Humphreys explains why in detail.

    so what does the constitution say?

    First of all, the Jews of Medina are accorded equality to the Muslims, the word equality occuring time and time again in the treaty. The treaty further said that the Jews were a nation with the believers, that they shall have their religion and the Muslims their own. No jizya was imposed on them. “The valley of Yathrib (Medina) is sacred for the people of this document [the Muslims and the Jews]”.

    Between the Muslims and Jews is “sincere friendship, and honorouable dealing, not treachery”. A man is not guilty of treachery because of the act of his confederate.”

  9. typo correction:

    “When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the swords: but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself” Deuteronomy 20:12

    This verse from your scripture is in complete contradiction to you beliefs, those that led you to criticize our prophet unjustly (as is amply shown in the links above). The Prophet’s action after the taking of Mecca and his treatment of captives, and the Qur’an forbidding the killing of any non-combatant, are clearly superior morally to your scripture which orders the killing of all the men of a beseiged city. So hear me and God is our witness, if you truly believe it is wrong to kill civilians, then you shall renounce your religion, and perhaps accept Islam. If you do not renounce your religion, then you have proven yourself a hypocrite, one who cares not about the innocents who were killed, but only cares to attack Islam out of pure hatred.

  10. Yeah we got these redneck white trash inbred cyclopian maggots running around in California also….”minutemen” my ass.
    These sons of bitches are nothing but race war craving white vigilantees looking to target non-whites. The fact that neo-nazi organizations are a part of this movement shows clearly they must be opposed and targeted for domestic terrorism. And yo flanstein…what the hell is wrong with you? The topic is on immigration shithead,not religion. I’m willing to bet you’re grandpappy came to America floating in shoe from some european gutter. Southerners are nothing but lazy white trash and destroying our country.
    Fuck the haters, the Latinos need to start taking pictures of these monkeys and put them up online…and we’ll see then how fast the “minutemen” clear out of town. Great post Umar.

  11. Ah yes the ol’ “you are misinterpreting our holy book”

    The thing is, I don’t give a crap about your “holy” book. I am simply repeating the tracts from your koran that your fellow muslims use to justify mass murder.

    Got a problem with the way the hadiths and koran are translated? Speak to your jihadi friends…

    Oh, and JD – yes I live in or near Ottawa, Ontario – and no my name isn’t really Flanstein. As someone who operates a blog that tells the truth about islam, I know what murdering monsters you are, so i have carefully hidden my real identity.

    In other words, if your remark is a thinly veiled threat – go fuck yourself you sack of islamic crap…

  12. Flanstein is a coward, nothing less. He is a keyboard warrior. People like him are not a worry, he has no guts to do anything. That is why he spreads his hate on the net. He wouldnt dare do anything in person.

  13. Aside from the personal slander abu, do you have any factual comments to make about my post or is it just another ad hominen attack?

  14. There is no personal slander Flanstein. You are a coward. Your attacks on men and women on this and other forums prove it.

    As to what you have written, you are doing nothing more than resaying what has been said by hatemongers millions of times before. I feel no need to respond to it any more than I would to the KKK. No matter what I say, you are going to hold onto your hatred, so why bother?

  15. If by pointing out the inherent evil of islam and the appalling deeds of muslims makes me a “coward”, then a coward I am. As to your non-response, it is typical of muslims who cannot summon the courage to face the fact that their “holy” book is based on a foundation of hate.

  16. Hey flanstein, maybe you didnt hear me shithead….this isnt about religion, but race. BTW what religion are you? Or are you just another cheese dick trying to hate on people…..

  17. I dont think this piece of shit flanstein is from Canada. Maybe thats what he wants you to think. Sounds like a fucking redneck or some other racist bitch.

  18. flanstein wrote: “Oh, and JD – yes I live in or near Ottawa, Ontario – and no my name isn’t really Flanstein. As someone who operates a blog that tells the truth about islam, I know what murdering monsters you are, so i have carefully hidden my real identity.”

    I wrote about your location in regard to the following comment written by “anonymous”:

    “And yo flanstein…what the hell is wrong with you? The topic is on immigration shithead,not religion. I’m willing to bet you’re grandpappy came to America floating in shoe from some european gutter.”

    As an American, I have no desire to have people think that hate-filled people like you are from my country. I’d rather have people know that you live in Canada.

    As for your name, I could care less as to who you really are. I’ve met one other person online who was concerned that her hate-filled rhetoric might get her whacked by a Muslim…but she was taking meds for her mental problems…and it looks like you need to too.

    And just to let you know, I will continue to happily delete each and every one of your comments on my blogs – I do, after all, know which comments are yours, regardless of whether you give your name or choose to remain anonymous (which, btw, is no longer an option) – just as I’ve deleted each of your three comments in the past 12 hours or so. :)

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